Traffic jam warning amid extra bank holiday and cruise traffic

Daily Echo: Traffic delays as five cruise ships dock Traffic delays as five cruise ships dock

DRIVERS have been warned of traffic chaos today as five cruise ships visit Southampton.

Council bosses urged drivers to plan their journeys carefully as tens of thousands of passengers head to and from the world's biggest cruise ships on one of the busiest weekends of the year.

Adding to this are ongoing road works on Platform Road and Western Esplanade.

Motorists have already reported gridlocked in Platform Road, Town Quay, Saltmarsh Road, Canute Road, the Itchen Bridge, Six Dials, Marsh Lane and Northam Road.

One driver has told the Daily Echo the short journey from Chapel Road to White Star Place took him as long as 30 minutes.

Highways bosses recorded heavy traffic since 10am today.

The five vessels all arrived between 5.15am and 6.45am and were part of a fleet of nine ships to arrive in the city yesterday and today, with 35,000 passengers embarking and disembarking at Southampton docks.

This morning's liners were Carnival UK's Emerals Princess, Oceana and Aurora, Intercruises' Celebrity Eclipse and Denhold Wilhemsen's MSC Opera.

Making matters worse are shoppers heading to WestQuay holiday makers travelling to the Isle of Wight for the Bank Holiday weekend and half-term.

This comes after the city ground to a halt in January when five ships docked in port at the same time, forcing some cruise passengers to abandon their cars and taxis, while pensioners were forced to urinate on the street.

Then in March, there was traffic chaos again when two ships arrived, leaving hundreds of motorists marooned on gridlocked roads for more than two hours.

Nearly 25,000 cruise passengers are expected to be coming and going to the port next weekend.

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2:41pm Sat 24 May 14

THEKILLER says...

I think everyone has got the message by now avoid the city permanently ! it's not worth the hassle
I think everyone has got the message by now avoid the city permanently ! it's not worth the hassle THEKILLER
  • Score: 13

2:41pm Sat 24 May 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

Fantastic for our City,keep the Cruise Liners coming.....if you don't like it.....walk to Town,catch a bus or train...or just stay at home.....simples!
Fantastic for our City,keep the Cruise Liners coming.....if you don't like it.....walk to Town,catch a bus or train...or just stay at home.....simples! 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: 17

2:58pm Sat 24 May 14

no. 10 says...

The best thing to have happened to Southampton is the m27, it goes straight past.
The best thing to have happened to Southampton is the m27, it goes straight past. no. 10
  • Score: -6

3:01pm Sat 24 May 14

bigfella777 says...

4 people working on Platform Rd today, get some bodies and get on with it!
4 people working on Platform Rd today, get some bodies and get on with it! bigfella777
  • Score: 12

3:03pm Sat 24 May 14

search for the truth says...

The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting,

" Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "
The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting, " Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! " search for the truth
  • Score: 3

3:26pm Sat 24 May 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Where is the Trains and Coaches its all going to Liverpool!
Where is the Trains and Coaches its all going to Liverpool! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: -11

4:01pm Sat 24 May 14

loosehead says...

I thought this would have stopped now.Labours been re-elected so come on Echo blame the roadworks instead of trying to drive away our only successful industry
I thought this would have stopped now.Labours been re-elected so come on Echo blame the roadworks instead of trying to drive away our only successful industry loosehead
  • Score: 3

4:14pm Sat 24 May 14

espanuel says...

We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in. espanuel
  • Score: 13

4:48pm Sat 24 May 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

bigfella777 wrote:
4 people working on Platform Rd today, get some bodies and get on with it!
Well. Balfour Beatty **** the railways up every weekend...why not **** up the roads as well....what a useless company they are,run by a useless management with cocky lazy workers
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: 4 people working on Platform Rd today, get some bodies and get on with it![/p][/quote]Well. Balfour Beatty **** the railways up every weekend...why not **** up the roads as well....what a useless company they are,run by a useless management with cocky lazy workers 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: 15

5:00pm Sat 24 May 14

Nearly an OAP says...

It's only for another year as Liverpool's new terminals will soon be up and running.
It's only for another year as Liverpool's new terminals will soon be up and running. Nearly an OAP
  • Score: -5

5:14pm Sat 24 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

no. 10 wrote:
The best thing to have happened to Southampton is the m27, it goes straight past.
Please stay on it then ...... Many Thanks
[quote][p][bold]no. 10[/bold] wrote: The best thing to have happened to Southampton is the m27, it goes straight past.[/p][/quote]Please stay on it then ...... Many Thanks Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 3

5:17pm Sat 24 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -2

6:41pm Sat 24 May 14

Huey says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Espanuel didn't ask a question
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Espanuel didn't ask a question Huey
  • Score: -1

7:15pm Sat 24 May 14

Theman007 says...

Southampton needs a park and ride scheme
Southampton needs a park and ride scheme Theman007
  • Score: 4

7:25pm Sat 24 May 14

cabbiestew says...

What a joke of a head line...The cruise ships isn't the reason the roads are bad it's bad management of the council and balfour Beatty! Seriously these road works have to happen for the future of the docks but really?? Sort it out....why don't you employ people to work the lights to let the traffic flow....There was a female worker in the docks that took control last week and directed traffic herself when she saw the problem and then the docks emptied quicker! Now what you need is proper lights installed and the flow kept going! But let's think why don't we close central bridge and have road works along can use road to the dock?? Oh well done brains of Southampton u excel,
and just for the record the police could step in and get the traffic moving better but nope let's just let it get worse and worse! Yes there's more people going on the boats but seriously these roads can still cope if you organise it better! Stop blaming the boats and blame Southampton council and it's pot judgement of organising the road works of and balfour Beatty too employ better transport staff!
What a joke of a head line...The cruise ships isn't the reason the roads are bad it's bad management of the council and balfour Beatty! Seriously these road works have to happen for the future of the docks but really?? Sort it out....why don't you employ people to work the lights to let the traffic flow....There was a female worker in the docks that took control last week and directed traffic herself when she saw the problem and then the docks emptied quicker! Now what you need is proper lights installed and the flow kept going! But let's think why don't we close central bridge and have road works along can use road to the dock?? Oh well done brains of Southampton u excel, and just for the record the police could step in and get the traffic moving better but nope let's just let it get worse and worse! Yes there's more people going on the boats but seriously these roads can still cope if you organise it better! Stop blaming the boats and blame Southampton council and it's pot judgement of organising the road works of and balfour Beatty too employ better transport staff! cabbiestew
  • Score: 13

7:42pm Sat 24 May 14

befriendly says...

Balfour Beatty are probably on a fixed contract with no penalties on how long it takes, so just move things along at their own pace. Impose strict penalty clauses in all contracts, then see how long it takes and how many people they throw at it. Councils are seen as easy pickings by big companies and once a job has started they start racking up extra charges for unforeseen delays. They'd just get on with it if the council said, tough, there's the contract and these are the fines if you don't finish on time.
Balfour Beatty are probably on a fixed contract with no penalties on how long it takes, so just move things along at their own pace. Impose strict penalty clauses in all contracts, then see how long it takes and how many people they throw at it. Councils are seen as easy pickings by big companies and once a job has started they start racking up extra charges for unforeseen delays. They'd just get on with it if the council said, tough, there's the contract and these are the fines if you don't finish on time. befriendly
  • Score: 9

7:46pm Sat 24 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Huey wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Espanuel didn't ask a question
Yes .... but if he did .... that would have been the answer to it .... !!
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Espanuel didn't ask a question[/p][/quote]Yes .... but if he did .... that would have been the answer to it .... !! Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -1

8:19pm Sat 24 May 14

search for the truth says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Huey wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Espanuel didn't ask a question
Yes .... but if he did .... that would have been the answer to it .... !!
But he didn't did he ? Incidentally that was a question and an answer combined.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Espanuel didn't ask a question[/p][/quote]Yes .... but if he did .... that would have been the answer to it .... !![/p][/quote]But he didn't did he ? Incidentally that was a question and an answer combined. search for the truth
  • Score: 0

8:46pm Sat 24 May 14

loosehead says...

Okay when I was young I remember going to Marine Cadets at Dock gate 4 you had all the ship repair yards & their workers, you had Banana boats you had Townsend Thorreson Ferries( went to Portsmouth) You had the Cunard ships,
Then riding through the new docks as a messenger boy you had the Canberra,Oriana,Oran
je & several Union Castle ships in plus you had the container ships in. there was no West Quay or Ikea but Pirelli's & a lido plus a helicopter pad & a go kart track that road was empty all traffic went over the Northam Bridge as the Itchen Bridge wasn't built.
so the road from the pier down to the floating bridge was relatively empty.
Yes the ships are bigger now but there's a lot less companies working in the docks as all the ship repairers have gone & the amount of ships is not as many as there use to be so to even think of blaming the cruise ships a joke.
I know shut Labours Cash cow of the Toll bridge & let's see what the traffic's like around that area.
I'll admit the top end of town right over the Northam Bridge use to be bumper to bumper traffic but no one blamed the cruise ships.
Did Southamptons Labour council do a traffic feasibility study when it found St Mary's as a Football stadia site?
I'll agree Ikea is in the wrong spot & maybe should be where Costco's is but who gave the go ahead for all the roadworks together?
how Can this paper & Labour supporters put the mayhem on the only successful industry we have left instead of the road works?
But again with all these C++k Up's why the hell did people vote Labour?
Okay when I was young I remember going to Marine Cadets at Dock gate 4 you had all the ship repair yards & their workers, you had Banana boats you had Townsend Thorreson Ferries( went to Portsmouth) You had the Cunard ships, Then riding through the new docks as a messenger boy you had the Canberra,Oriana,Oran je & several Union Castle ships in plus you had the container ships in. there was no West Quay or Ikea but Pirelli's & a lido plus a helicopter pad & a go kart track that road was empty all traffic went over the Northam Bridge as the Itchen Bridge wasn't built. so the road from the pier down to the floating bridge was relatively empty. Yes the ships are bigger now but there's a lot less companies working in the docks as all the ship repairers have gone & the amount of ships is not as many as there use to be so to even think of blaming the cruise ships a joke. I know shut Labours Cash cow of the Toll bridge & let's see what the traffic's like around that area. I'll admit the top end of town right over the Northam Bridge use to be bumper to bumper traffic but no one blamed the cruise ships. Did Southamptons Labour council do a traffic feasibility study when it found St Mary's as a Football stadia site? I'll agree Ikea is in the wrong spot & maybe should be where Costco's is but who gave the go ahead for all the roadworks together? how Can this paper & Labour supporters put the mayhem on the only successful industry we have left instead of the road works? But again with all these C++k Up's why the hell did people vote Labour? loosehead
  • Score: 5

9:22pm Sat 24 May 14

City Saint says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Fantastic for our City,keep the Cruise Liners coming.....if you don't like it.....walk to Town,catch a bus or train...or just stay at home.....simples!
Folks

The problem is that if we don't sort out the traffic down there, we very well might lose some of the liner business. I picked up my mom from a ship a few weeks ago, and got stuck -- quayside -- for easily half an hour. That was in a day when there were only two in port. The tourists that come to town have short turnarounds, and they want to see things like Stonehenge, which they will struggle to do once they get out of the city traffic -- especially as they plan to make it back and worry about return traffic.

Most ports that these ships pull into handle the traffic better, and so the passengers expect better. I estimate we have another few years at best to get it sorted out, before we lose business to other ports with better infrastructure or less congestion.

There is such a thing as pridefullness/hubris
, which usually comes before a fall. Pretending this traffic isn't a serious issue is prideful to the point of foolhardiness, for all who want the best for the city and who are proud of all that Southampton has achieved.

The council needs to sort this out and explain when the situation will be fixed - and futureproofed.
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Fantastic for our City,keep the Cruise Liners coming.....if you don't like it.....walk to Town,catch a bus or train...or just stay at home.....simples![/p][/quote]Folks The problem is that if we don't sort out the traffic down there, we very well might lose some of the liner business. I picked up my mom from a ship a few weeks ago, and got stuck -- quayside -- for easily half an hour. That was in a day when there were only two in port. The tourists that come to town have short turnarounds, and they want to see things like Stonehenge, which they will struggle to do once they get out of the city traffic -- especially as they plan to make it back and worry about return traffic. Most ports that these ships pull into handle the traffic better, and so the passengers expect better. I estimate we have another few years at best to get it sorted out, before we lose business to other ports with better infrastructure or less congestion. There is such a thing as pridefullness/hubris , which usually comes before a fall. Pretending this traffic isn't a serious issue is prideful to the point of foolhardiness, for all who want the best for the city and who are proud of all that Southampton has achieved. The council needs to sort this out and explain when the situation will be fixed - and futureproofed. City Saint
  • Score: 9

10:24pm Sat 24 May 14

Ronnie G says...

Maybe helpful if someone stopped tampering about with the traffic light sequencing??
Maybe helpful if someone stopped tampering about with the traffic light sequencing?? Ronnie G
  • Score: 0

7:00am Sun 25 May 14

SteveinTotton says...

The Echo has become a very negative paper recently, it seems very anti southampton. It hates Saints and seems to love traffic chaos as they call it and bad weather.

It can't print anything unless it can put negativity in the story.

I think the paper needs new blood and new direction. It's very tired.
The Echo has become a very negative paper recently, it seems very anti southampton. It hates Saints and seems to love traffic chaos as they call it and bad weather. It can't print anything unless it can put negativity in the story. I think the paper needs new blood and new direction. It's very tired. SteveinTotton
  • Score: 7

9:06am Sun 25 May 14

FoysCornerBoy says...

loosehead wrote:
I thought this would have stopped now.Labours been re-elected so come on Echo blame the roadworks instead of trying to drive away our only successful industry
Surely you can't be accusing the Daily Echo of bias against Labour?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I thought this would have stopped now.Labours been re-elected so come on Echo blame the roadworks instead of trying to drive away our only successful industry[/p][/quote]Surely you can't be accusing the Daily Echo of bias against Labour? FoysCornerBoy
  • Score: 3

9:10am Sun 25 May 14

FoysCornerBoy says...

befriendly wrote:
Balfour Beatty are probably on a fixed contract with no penalties on how long it takes, so just move things along at their own pace. Impose strict penalty clauses in all contracts, then see how long it takes and how many people they throw at it. Councils are seen as easy pickings by big companies and once a job has started they start racking up extra charges for unforeseen delays. They'd just get on with it if the council said, tough, there's the contract and these are the fines if you don't finish on time.
er.............. which political party was it that drew up the contract with Balfour Beatty?
[quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: Balfour Beatty are probably on a fixed contract with no penalties on how long it takes, so just move things along at their own pace. Impose strict penalty clauses in all contracts, then see how long it takes and how many people they throw at it. Councils are seen as easy pickings by big companies and once a job has started they start racking up extra charges for unforeseen delays. They'd just get on with it if the council said, tough, there's the contract and these are the fines if you don't finish on time.[/p][/quote]er.............. which political party was it that drew up the contract with Balfour Beatty? FoysCornerBoy
  • Score: 2

10:08am Sun 25 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

search for the truth wrote:
The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting,

" Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "
Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see!

Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting, " Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "[/p][/quote]Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see! Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton? sotonboy84
  • Score: 0

10:34am Sun 25 May 14

search for the truth says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting,

" Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "
Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see!

Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?
I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work.
The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly.
Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting, " Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "[/p][/quote]Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see! Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?[/p][/quote]I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work. The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly. Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story search for the truth
  • Score: -5

2:52pm Sun 25 May 14

Gristy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam!

So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam! So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED Gristy
  • Score: 6

3:35pm Sun 25 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Gristy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam!

So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED
Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend .....
.
[quote][p][bold]Gristy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam! So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED[/p][/quote]Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend ..... . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -5

4:27pm Sun 25 May 14

espanuel says...

Gristy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam!

So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED
Gristy, Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Gristy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam! So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED[/p][/quote]Gristy, Thank you. espanuel
  • Score: 2

5:13pm Sun 25 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting,

" Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "
Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see!

Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?
I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work.
The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly.
Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story
Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city.

On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting, " Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "[/p][/quote]Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see! Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?[/p][/quote]I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work. The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly. Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story[/p][/quote]Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city. On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me. sotonboy84
  • Score: 3

5:16pm Sun 25 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Gristy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam!

So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED
Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend .....
.
You never fail to make me laugh. Laughing at what a sad little individual you are!

Take a break, your keyboard needs to cool down.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gristy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam! So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED[/p][/quote]Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend ..... .[/p][/quote]You never fail to make me laugh. Laughing at what a sad little individual you are! Take a break, your keyboard needs to cool down. sotonboy84
  • Score: 2

6:23pm Sun 25 May 14

search for the truth says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting,

" Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "
Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see!

Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?
I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work.
The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly.
Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story
Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city.

On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.
When cruise ships start and end their trips at Southampton the mass majority will simply travel straight in or out of Southampton either by car or coach along the M27 or by train. Any visits in the locality are usually to the New Forest or Stonehenge ( local coach firms may make money but the centre of Southampton won't ).

The vast amount of the money generated when a ship is in Southampton is connected to port dues and taxes, and the services required to prepare the ship for it's next cruise ( including food, alcohol and merchandise for sale on the ship ) .

The main shopping area's in Southampton do not really gain a great deal from the cruise passengers as Southampton hasn't really mastered the best ways to project itself as a tourist friendly city , bad planning in the past has allowed a lot of it's historic walls and buildings to be masked from view. Access to the waterside is poor and facilities there are virtually non-existent .
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting, " Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "[/p][/quote]Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see! Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?[/p][/quote]I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work. The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly. Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story[/p][/quote]Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city. On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.[/p][/quote]When cruise ships start and end their trips at Southampton the mass majority will simply travel straight in or out of Southampton either by car or coach along the M27 or by train. Any visits in the locality are usually to the New Forest or Stonehenge ( local coach firms may make money but the centre of Southampton won't ). The vast amount of the money generated when a ship is in Southampton is connected to port dues and taxes, and the services required to prepare the ship for it's next cruise ( including food, alcohol and merchandise for sale on the ship ) . The main shopping area's in Southampton do not really gain a great deal from the cruise passengers as Southampton hasn't really mastered the best ways to project itself as a tourist friendly city , bad planning in the past has allowed a lot of it's historic walls and buildings to be masked from view. Access to the waterside is poor and facilities there are virtually non-existent . search for the truth
  • Score: -1

7:27pm Sun 25 May 14

phil maccavity says...

search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting,

" Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "
Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see!

Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?
I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work.
The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly.
Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story
Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city.

On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.
When cruise ships start and end their trips at Southampton the mass majority will simply travel straight in or out of Southampton either by car or coach along the M27 or by train. Any visits in the locality are usually to the New Forest or Stonehenge ( local coach firms may make money but the centre of Southampton won't ).

The vast amount of the money generated when a ship is in Southampton is connected to port dues and taxes, and the services required to prepare the ship for it's next cruise ( including food, alcohol and merchandise for sale on the ship ) .

The main shopping area's in Southampton do not really gain a great deal from the cruise passengers as Southampton hasn't really mastered the best ways to project itself as a tourist friendly city , bad planning in the past has allowed a lot of it's historic walls and buildings to be masked from view. Access to the waterside is poor and facilities there are virtually non-existent .
Presumably you have carried out a carefully researched economic impact study relating to the effect that the cruise business has on the Southampton and wider Hampshire economy from your bunker in Birkenhead?
I am sure it would be of great benefit to all down here OR are your comments based on assumptions?
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting, " Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "[/p][/quote]Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see! Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?[/p][/quote]I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work. The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly. Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story[/p][/quote]Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city. On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.[/p][/quote]When cruise ships start and end their trips at Southampton the mass majority will simply travel straight in or out of Southampton either by car or coach along the M27 or by train. Any visits in the locality are usually to the New Forest or Stonehenge ( local coach firms may make money but the centre of Southampton won't ). The vast amount of the money generated when a ship is in Southampton is connected to port dues and taxes, and the services required to prepare the ship for it's next cruise ( including food, alcohol and merchandise for sale on the ship ) . The main shopping area's in Southampton do not really gain a great deal from the cruise passengers as Southampton hasn't really mastered the best ways to project itself as a tourist friendly city , bad planning in the past has allowed a lot of it's historic walls and buildings to be masked from view. Access to the waterside is poor and facilities there are virtually non-existent .[/p][/quote]Presumably you have carried out a carefully researched economic impact study relating to the effect that the cruise business has on the Southampton and wider Hampshire economy from your bunker in Birkenhead? I am sure it would be of great benefit to all down here OR are your comments based on assumptions? phil maccavity
  • Score: 3

8:08pm Sun 25 May 14

search for the truth says...

phil maccavity wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting,

" Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "
Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see!

Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?
I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work.
The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly.
Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story
Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city.

On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.
When cruise ships start and end their trips at Southampton the mass majority will simply travel straight in or out of Southampton either by car or coach along the M27 or by train. Any visits in the locality are usually to the New Forest or Stonehenge ( local coach firms may make money but the centre of Southampton won't ).

The vast amount of the money generated when a ship is in Southampton is connected to port dues and taxes, and the services required to prepare the ship for it's next cruise ( including food, alcohol and merchandise for sale on the ship ) .

The main shopping area's in Southampton do not really gain a great deal from the cruise passengers as Southampton hasn't really mastered the best ways to project itself as a tourist friendly city , bad planning in the past has allowed a lot of it's historic walls and buildings to be masked from view. Access to the waterside is poor and facilities there are virtually non-existent .
Presumably you have carried out a carefully researched economic impact study relating to the effect that the cruise business has on the Southampton and wider Hampshire economy from your bunker in Birkenhead?
I am sure it would be of great benefit to all down here OR are your comments based on assumptions?
It's not rocket science but ......

The fuel used to move one of these huge ships plus the stores consisting of food, water and all other merchandise stocked and used on each voyage ( I bet 2000 - 3000 passengers plus a very large crew get through a King's ransom in toilet rolls alone, not to mention cleaning materials and laundry for all the beds ).
Other services once ashore include emptying the toilet waste tanks, employing service engineers to carry out ship repairs and remedial work whilst the ship is in port. Port taxes and duties, together with immigration and customs due's.

All these items will be supplied by companies and organisations who are probably nationally or internationally based who's profits won't stay in the Southampton locality but if you think about the amount this adds up to, it means that very little actually ends up in the shops and businesses within the main shopping / attractions area of Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting, " Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "[/p][/quote]Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see! Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?[/p][/quote]I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work. The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly. Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story[/p][/quote]Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city. On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.[/p][/quote]When cruise ships start and end their trips at Southampton the mass majority will simply travel straight in or out of Southampton either by car or coach along the M27 or by train. Any visits in the locality are usually to the New Forest or Stonehenge ( local coach firms may make money but the centre of Southampton won't ). The vast amount of the money generated when a ship is in Southampton is connected to port dues and taxes, and the services required to prepare the ship for it's next cruise ( including food, alcohol and merchandise for sale on the ship ) . The main shopping area's in Southampton do not really gain a great deal from the cruise passengers as Southampton hasn't really mastered the best ways to project itself as a tourist friendly city , bad planning in the past has allowed a lot of it's historic walls and buildings to be masked from view. Access to the waterside is poor and facilities there are virtually non-existent .[/p][/quote]Presumably you have carried out a carefully researched economic impact study relating to the effect that the cruise business has on the Southampton and wider Hampshire economy from your bunker in Birkenhead? I am sure it would be of great benefit to all down here OR are your comments based on assumptions?[/p][/quote]It's not rocket science but ...... The fuel used to move one of these huge ships plus the stores consisting of food, water and all other merchandise stocked and used on each voyage ( I bet 2000 - 3000 passengers plus a very large crew get through a King's ransom in toilet rolls alone, not to mention cleaning materials and laundry for all the beds ). Other services once ashore include emptying the toilet waste tanks, employing service engineers to carry out ship repairs and remedial work whilst the ship is in port. Port taxes and duties, together with immigration and customs due's. All these items will be supplied by companies and organisations who are probably nationally or internationally based who's profits won't stay in the Southampton locality but if you think about the amount this adds up to, it means that very little actually ends up in the shops and businesses within the main shopping / attractions area of Southampton. search for the truth
  • Score: -3

9:14pm Sun 25 May 14

loosehead says...

FoysCornerBoy wrote:
befriendly wrote:
Balfour Beatty are probably on a fixed contract with no penalties on how long it takes, so just move things along at their own pace. Impose strict penalty clauses in all contracts, then see how long it takes and how many people they throw at it. Councils are seen as easy pickings by big companies and once a job has started they start racking up extra charges for unforeseen delays. They'd just get on with it if the council said, tough, there's the contract and these are the fines if you don't finish on time.
er.............. which political party was it that drew up the contract with Balfour Beatty?
ERR! who is in charge of getting the roadworks done? Wouldn't be a certain Jaqui Rayment would it?
We had no problems with road works all being done at the same time. the new road lay out was thought of under a Tory council & the funds applied for under a Tory council & your Labour Party decided to go ahead with it so after the C++k up of the Itchen Bridge Cycle way which by the way Rayment ordered it's a bit rich either blaming Balfour Beatty or the last Tory council isn't it?
Why didn't she continue the talks with ABP that Moulton had started?
[quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: Balfour Beatty are probably on a fixed contract with no penalties on how long it takes, so just move things along at their own pace. Impose strict penalty clauses in all contracts, then see how long it takes and how many people they throw at it. Councils are seen as easy pickings by big companies and once a job has started they start racking up extra charges for unforeseen delays. They'd just get on with it if the council said, tough, there's the contract and these are the fines if you don't finish on time.[/p][/quote]er.............. which political party was it that drew up the contract with Balfour Beatty?[/p][/quote]ERR! who is in charge of getting the roadworks done? Wouldn't be a certain Jaqui Rayment would it? We had no problems with road works all being done at the same time. the new road lay out was thought of under a Tory council & the funds applied for under a Tory council & your Labour Party decided to go ahead with it so after the C++k up of the Itchen Bridge Cycle way which by the way Rayment ordered it's a bit rich either blaming Balfour Beatty or the last Tory council isn't it? Why didn't she continue the talks with ABP that Moulton had started? loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:16pm Sun 25 May 14

loosehead says...

Gristy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam!

So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED
I remember those days & you can call me friend.
[quote][p][bold]Gristy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam! So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED[/p][/quote]I remember those days & you can call me friend. loosehead
  • Score: 1

9:19pm Sun 25 May 14

loosehead says...

search for the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting,

" Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "
Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see!

Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?
I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work.
The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly.
Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story
Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city.

On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.
When cruise ships start and end their trips at Southampton the mass majority will simply travel straight in or out of Southampton either by car or coach along the M27 or by train. Any visits in the locality are usually to the New Forest or Stonehenge ( local coach firms may make money but the centre of Southampton won't ).

The vast amount of the money generated when a ship is in Southampton is connected to port dues and taxes, and the services required to prepare the ship for it's next cruise ( including food, alcohol and merchandise for sale on the ship ) .

The main shopping area's in Southampton do not really gain a great deal from the cruise passengers as Southampton hasn't really mastered the best ways to project itself as a tourist friendly city , bad planning in the past has allowed a lot of it's historic walls and buildings to be masked from view. Access to the waterside is poor and facilities there are virtually non-existent .
Presumably you have carried out a carefully researched economic impact study relating to the effect that the cruise business has on the Southampton and wider Hampshire economy from your bunker in Birkenhead?
I am sure it would be of great benefit to all down here OR are your comments based on assumptions?
It's not rocket science but ......

The fuel used to move one of these huge ships plus the stores consisting of food, water and all other merchandise stocked and used on each voyage ( I bet 2000 - 3000 passengers plus a very large crew get through a King's ransom in toilet rolls alone, not to mention cleaning materials and laundry for all the beds ).
Other services once ashore include emptying the toilet waste tanks, employing service engineers to carry out ship repairs and remedial work whilst the ship is in port. Port taxes and duties, together with immigration and customs due's.

All these items will be supplied by companies and organisations who are probably nationally or internationally based who's profits won't stay in the Southampton locality but if you think about the amount this adds up to, it means that very little actually ends up in the shops and businesses within the main shopping / attractions area of Southampton.
My sister works in the Grand Harbour hotel & I can tell you not all cruise ship passengers go straight out of the city.
The Ibis ,The Novotel are normally packed with cruise ship passengers & I was in Asda today with cruise ship passengers making last minute purchases before they join the ship.
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting, " Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "[/p][/quote]Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see! Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?[/p][/quote]I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work. The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly. Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story[/p][/quote]Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city. On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.[/p][/quote]When cruise ships start and end their trips at Southampton the mass majority will simply travel straight in or out of Southampton either by car or coach along the M27 or by train. Any visits in the locality are usually to the New Forest or Stonehenge ( local coach firms may make money but the centre of Southampton won't ). The vast amount of the money generated when a ship is in Southampton is connected to port dues and taxes, and the services required to prepare the ship for it's next cruise ( including food, alcohol and merchandise for sale on the ship ) . The main shopping area's in Southampton do not really gain a great deal from the cruise passengers as Southampton hasn't really mastered the best ways to project itself as a tourist friendly city , bad planning in the past has allowed a lot of it's historic walls and buildings to be masked from view. Access to the waterside is poor and facilities there are virtually non-existent .[/p][/quote]Presumably you have carried out a carefully researched economic impact study relating to the effect that the cruise business has on the Southampton and wider Hampshire economy from your bunker in Birkenhead? I am sure it would be of great benefit to all down here OR are your comments based on assumptions?[/p][/quote]It's not rocket science but ...... The fuel used to move one of these huge ships plus the stores consisting of food, water and all other merchandise stocked and used on each voyage ( I bet 2000 - 3000 passengers plus a very large crew get through a King's ransom in toilet rolls alone, not to mention cleaning materials and laundry for all the beds ). Other services once ashore include emptying the toilet waste tanks, employing service engineers to carry out ship repairs and remedial work whilst the ship is in port. Port taxes and duties, together with immigration and customs due's. All these items will be supplied by companies and organisations who are probably nationally or internationally based who's profits won't stay in the Southampton locality but if you think about the amount this adds up to, it means that very little actually ends up in the shops and businesses within the main shopping / attractions area of Southampton.[/p][/quote]My sister works in the Grand Harbour hotel & I can tell you not all cruise ship passengers go straight out of the city. The Ibis ,The Novotel are normally packed with cruise ship passengers & I was in Asda today with cruise ship passengers making last minute purchases before they join the ship. loosehead
  • Score: 3

9:42pm Sun 25 May 14

search for the truth says...

loosehead wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting,

" Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "
Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see!

Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?
I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work.
The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly.
Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story
Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city.

On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.
When cruise ships start and end their trips at Southampton the mass majority will simply travel straight in or out of Southampton either by car or coach along the M27 or by train. Any visits in the locality are usually to the New Forest or Stonehenge ( local coach firms may make money but the centre of Southampton won't ).

The vast amount of the money generated when a ship is in Southampton is connected to port dues and taxes, and the services required to prepare the ship for it's next cruise ( including food, alcohol and merchandise for sale on the ship ) .

The main shopping area's in Southampton do not really gain a great deal from the cruise passengers as Southampton hasn't really mastered the best ways to project itself as a tourist friendly city , bad planning in the past has allowed a lot of it's historic walls and buildings to be masked from view. Access to the waterside is poor and facilities there are virtually non-existent .
Presumably you have carried out a carefully researched economic impact study relating to the effect that the cruise business has on the Southampton and wider Hampshire economy from your bunker in Birkenhead?
I am sure it would be of great benefit to all down here OR are your comments based on assumptions?
It's not rocket science but ......

The fuel used to move one of these huge ships plus the stores consisting of food, water and all other merchandise stocked and used on each voyage ( I bet 2000 - 3000 passengers plus a very large crew get through a King's ransom in toilet rolls alone, not to mention cleaning materials and laundry for all the beds ).
Other services once ashore include emptying the toilet waste tanks, employing service engineers to carry out ship repairs and remedial work whilst the ship is in port. Port taxes and duties, together with immigration and customs due's.

All these items will be supplied by companies and organisations who are probably nationally or internationally based who's profits won't stay in the Southampton locality but if you think about the amount this adds up to, it means that very little actually ends up in the shops and businesses within the main shopping / attractions area of Southampton.
My sister works in the Grand Harbour hotel & I can tell you not all cruise ship passengers go straight out of the city.
The Ibis ,The Novotel are normally packed with cruise ship passengers & I was in Asda today with cruise ship passengers making last minute purchases before they join the ship.
Loosehead I am not attacking Southampton, I am merely pointing out that Southampton is not getting as much money into it's city centre stores, hotels and attractions as it probably could because the city council , city centre retail organisations and other interested parties are not working in unison.

Every successful town / city that is involved with tourists / visitors runs a very tight ship were all interested parties plan and discuss how best to cater for their guests and to maximise the economic gains from having a thriving tourist industry, I'm afraid Southampton just doesn't have a clue in this field. You should send a deputation to York or Chester, you simply can't see what you are doing wrong.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting, " Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "[/p][/quote]Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see! Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?[/p][/quote]I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work. The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly. Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story[/p][/quote]Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city. On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.[/p][/quote]When cruise ships start and end their trips at Southampton the mass majority will simply travel straight in or out of Southampton either by car or coach along the M27 or by train. Any visits in the locality are usually to the New Forest or Stonehenge ( local coach firms may make money but the centre of Southampton won't ). The vast amount of the money generated when a ship is in Southampton is connected to port dues and taxes, and the services required to prepare the ship for it's next cruise ( including food, alcohol and merchandise for sale on the ship ) . The main shopping area's in Southampton do not really gain a great deal from the cruise passengers as Southampton hasn't really mastered the best ways to project itself as a tourist friendly city , bad planning in the past has allowed a lot of it's historic walls and buildings to be masked from view. Access to the waterside is poor and facilities there are virtually non-existent .[/p][/quote]Presumably you have carried out a carefully researched economic impact study relating to the effect that the cruise business has on the Southampton and wider Hampshire economy from your bunker in Birkenhead? I am sure it would be of great benefit to all down here OR are your comments based on assumptions?[/p][/quote]It's not rocket science but ...... The fuel used to move one of these huge ships plus the stores consisting of food, water and all other merchandise stocked and used on each voyage ( I bet 2000 - 3000 passengers plus a very large crew get through a King's ransom in toilet rolls alone, not to mention cleaning materials and laundry for all the beds ). Other services once ashore include emptying the toilet waste tanks, employing service engineers to carry out ship repairs and remedial work whilst the ship is in port. Port taxes and duties, together with immigration and customs due's. All these items will be supplied by companies and organisations who are probably nationally or internationally based who's profits won't stay in the Southampton locality but if you think about the amount this adds up to, it means that very little actually ends up in the shops and businesses within the main shopping / attractions area of Southampton.[/p][/quote]My sister works in the Grand Harbour hotel & I can tell you not all cruise ship passengers go straight out of the city. The Ibis ,The Novotel are normally packed with cruise ship passengers & I was in Asda today with cruise ship passengers making last minute purchases before they join the ship.[/p][/quote]Loosehead I am not attacking Southampton, I am merely pointing out that Southampton is not getting as much money into it's city centre stores, hotels and attractions as it probably could because the city council , city centre retail organisations and other interested parties are not working in unison. Every successful town / city that is involved with tourists / visitors runs a very tight ship were all interested parties plan and discuss how best to cater for their guests and to maximise the economic gains from having a thriving tourist industry, I'm afraid Southampton just doesn't have a clue in this field. You should send a deputation to York or Chester, you simply can't see what you are doing wrong. search for the truth
  • Score: -3

8:04am Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

search for the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting,

" Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "
Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see!

Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?
I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work.
The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly.
Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story
Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city.

On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.
When cruise ships start and end their trips at Southampton the mass majority will simply travel straight in or out of Southampton either by car or coach along the M27 or by train. Any visits in the locality are usually to the New Forest or Stonehenge ( local coach firms may make money but the centre of Southampton won't ).

The vast amount of the money generated when a ship is in Southampton is connected to port dues and taxes, and the services required to prepare the ship for it's next cruise ( including food, alcohol and merchandise for sale on the ship ) .

The main shopping area's in Southampton do not really gain a great deal from the cruise passengers as Southampton hasn't really mastered the best ways to project itself as a tourist friendly city , bad planning in the past has allowed a lot of it's historic walls and buildings to be masked from view. Access to the waterside is poor and facilities there are virtually non-existent .
Presumably you have carried out a carefully researched economic impact study relating to the effect that the cruise business has on the Southampton and wider Hampshire economy from your bunker in Birkenhead?
I am sure it would be of great benefit to all down here OR are your comments based on assumptions?
It's not rocket science but ......

The fuel used to move one of these huge ships plus the stores consisting of food, water and all other merchandise stocked and used on each voyage ( I bet 2000 - 3000 passengers plus a very large crew get through a King's ransom in toilet rolls alone, not to mention cleaning materials and laundry for all the beds ).
Other services once ashore include emptying the toilet waste tanks, employing service engineers to carry out ship repairs and remedial work whilst the ship is in port. Port taxes and duties, together with immigration and customs due's.

All these items will be supplied by companies and organisations who are probably nationally or internationally based who's profits won't stay in the Southampton locality but if you think about the amount this adds up to, it means that very little actually ends up in the shops and businesses within the main shopping / attractions area of Southampton.
My sister works in the Grand Harbour hotel & I can tell you not all cruise ship passengers go straight out of the city.
The Ibis ,The Novotel are normally packed with cruise ship passengers & I was in Asda today with cruise ship passengers making last minute purchases before they join the ship.
Loosehead I am not attacking Southampton, I am merely pointing out that Southampton is not getting as much money into it's city centre stores, hotels and attractions as it probably could because the city council , city centre retail organisations and other interested parties are not working in unison.

Every successful town / city that is involved with tourists / visitors runs a very tight ship were all interested parties plan and discuss how best to cater for their guests and to maximise the economic gains from having a thriving tourist industry, I'm afraid Southampton just doesn't have a clue in this field. You should send a deputation to York or Chester, you simply can't see what you are doing wrong.
Everything you've said is based on your own assumptions, no evidence.

I think Southampton being home & port to all the worlds largest liners & all the great ships is evidence enough that the city is doing fine & won't be losing it's ships to smaller places that want them.

As I've said before, what the South as a whole has to offer, the proximity to London, the country's main airports as well as links to Europe simply can't be beaten.
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting, " Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "[/p][/quote]Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see! Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?[/p][/quote]I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work. The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly. Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story[/p][/quote]Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city. On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.[/p][/quote]When cruise ships start and end their trips at Southampton the mass majority will simply travel straight in or out of Southampton either by car or coach along the M27 or by train. Any visits in the locality are usually to the New Forest or Stonehenge ( local coach firms may make money but the centre of Southampton won't ). The vast amount of the money generated when a ship is in Southampton is connected to port dues and taxes, and the services required to prepare the ship for it's next cruise ( including food, alcohol and merchandise for sale on the ship ) . The main shopping area's in Southampton do not really gain a great deal from the cruise passengers as Southampton hasn't really mastered the best ways to project itself as a tourist friendly city , bad planning in the past has allowed a lot of it's historic walls and buildings to be masked from view. Access to the waterside is poor and facilities there are virtually non-existent .[/p][/quote]Presumably you have carried out a carefully researched economic impact study relating to the effect that the cruise business has on the Southampton and wider Hampshire economy from your bunker in Birkenhead? I am sure it would be of great benefit to all down here OR are your comments based on assumptions?[/p][/quote]It's not rocket science but ...... The fuel used to move one of these huge ships plus the stores consisting of food, water and all other merchandise stocked and used on each voyage ( I bet 2000 - 3000 passengers plus a very large crew get through a King's ransom in toilet rolls alone, not to mention cleaning materials and laundry for all the beds ). Other services once ashore include emptying the toilet waste tanks, employing service engineers to carry out ship repairs and remedial work whilst the ship is in port. Port taxes and duties, together with immigration and customs due's. All these items will be supplied by companies and organisations who are probably nationally or internationally based who's profits won't stay in the Southampton locality but if you think about the amount this adds up to, it means that very little actually ends up in the shops and businesses within the main shopping / attractions area of Southampton.[/p][/quote]My sister works in the Grand Harbour hotel & I can tell you not all cruise ship passengers go straight out of the city. The Ibis ,The Novotel are normally packed with cruise ship passengers & I was in Asda today with cruise ship passengers making last minute purchases before they join the ship.[/p][/quote]Loosehead I am not attacking Southampton, I am merely pointing out that Southampton is not getting as much money into it's city centre stores, hotels and attractions as it probably could because the city council , city centre retail organisations and other interested parties are not working in unison. Every successful town / city that is involved with tourists / visitors runs a very tight ship were all interested parties plan and discuss how best to cater for their guests and to maximise the economic gains from having a thriving tourist industry, I'm afraid Southampton just doesn't have a clue in this field. You should send a deputation to York or Chester, you simply can't see what you are doing wrong.[/p][/quote]Everything you've said is based on your own assumptions, no evidence. I think Southampton being home & port to all the worlds largest liners & all the great ships is evidence enough that the city is doing fine & won't be losing it's ships to smaller places that want them. As I've said before, what the South as a whole has to offer, the proximity to London, the country's main airports as well as links to Europe simply can't be beaten. sotonboy84
  • Score: 2

9:06am Mon 26 May 14

search for the truth says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting,

" Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "
Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see!

Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?
I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work.
The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly.
Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story
Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city.

On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.
When cruise ships start and end their trips at Southampton the mass majority will simply travel straight in or out of Southampton either by car or coach along the M27 or by train. Any visits in the locality are usually to the New Forest or Stonehenge ( local coach firms may make money but the centre of Southampton won't ).

The vast amount of the money generated when a ship is in Southampton is connected to port dues and taxes, and the services required to prepare the ship for it's next cruise ( including food, alcohol and merchandise for sale on the ship ) .

The main shopping area's in Southampton do not really gain a great deal from the cruise passengers as Southampton hasn't really mastered the best ways to project itself as a tourist friendly city , bad planning in the past has allowed a lot of it's historic walls and buildings to be masked from view. Access to the waterside is poor and facilities there are virtually non-existent .
Presumably you have carried out a carefully researched economic impact study relating to the effect that the cruise business has on the Southampton and wider Hampshire economy from your bunker in Birkenhead?
I am sure it would be of great benefit to all down here OR are your comments based on assumptions?
It's not rocket science but ......

The fuel used to move one of these huge ships plus the stores consisting of food, water and all other merchandise stocked and used on each voyage ( I bet 2000 - 3000 passengers plus a very large crew get through a King's ransom in toilet rolls alone, not to mention cleaning materials and laundry for all the beds ).
Other services once ashore include emptying the toilet waste tanks, employing service engineers to carry out ship repairs and remedial work whilst the ship is in port. Port taxes and duties, together with immigration and customs due's.

All these items will be supplied by companies and organisations who are probably nationally or internationally based who's profits won't stay in the Southampton locality but if you think about the amount this adds up to, it means that very little actually ends up in the shops and businesses within the main shopping / attractions area of Southampton.
My sister works in the Grand Harbour hotel & I can tell you not all cruise ship passengers go straight out of the city.
The Ibis ,The Novotel are normally packed with cruise ship passengers & I was in Asda today with cruise ship passengers making last minute purchases before they join the ship.
Loosehead I am not attacking Southampton, I am merely pointing out that Southampton is not getting as much money into it's city centre stores, hotels and attractions as it probably could because the city council , city centre retail organisations and other interested parties are not working in unison.

Every successful town / city that is involved with tourists / visitors runs a very tight ship were all interested parties plan and discuss how best to cater for their guests and to maximise the economic gains from having a thriving tourist industry, I'm afraid Southampton just doesn't have a clue in this field. You should send a deputation to York or Chester, you simply can't see what you are doing wrong.
Everything you've said is based on your own assumptions, no evidence.

I think Southampton being home & port to all the worlds largest liners & all the great ships is evidence enough that the city is doing fine & won't be losing it's ships to smaller places that want them.

As I've said before, what the South as a whole has to offer, the proximity to London, the country's main airports as well as links to Europe simply can't be beaten.
You simply have no idea, in your little world cruise ships obviously don't need re-fueling they simply run on fresh air, passengers don't eat or drink and never buy merchandise on board ship.

In your special little world of make believe, when a cruise ship docks
£ 1,250.000 instantly gets spent in the shops and attractions of Southampton
Well it's time you joined the real world and realised that ........

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The fuel used to move one of these huge ships plus the stores consisting of food, water and all other merchandise stocked and used on each voyage ( I bet 2000 - 3000 passengers plus a very large crew get through a King's ransom in toilet rolls alone, not to mention cleaning materials and laundry for all the beds ).
Other services once ashore include emptying the toilet waste tanks, employing service engineers to carry out ship repairs and remedial work whilst the ship is in port. Port taxes and duties, together with immigration and customs due's.

All these items will be supplied by companies and organisations who are probably nationally or internationally based who's profits won't stay in the Southampton locality but if you think about the amount this adds up to, it means that very little actually ends up in the shops and businesses within the main shopping / attractions area of Southampton.

***********

My breakdown of the typical spend of the supposed £ 1,250,000 is far more realistic than your assumption that Southampton shops and attractions attract this amount directly.

It is time that you and others learn't to think outside the box and take in the whole picture not some distorted illusion of the truth.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting, " Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "[/p][/quote]Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see! Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?[/p][/quote]I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work. The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly. Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story[/p][/quote]Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city. On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.[/p][/quote]When cruise ships start and end their trips at Southampton the mass majority will simply travel straight in or out of Southampton either by car or coach along the M27 or by train. Any visits in the locality are usually to the New Forest or Stonehenge ( local coach firms may make money but the centre of Southampton won't ). The vast amount of the money generated when a ship is in Southampton is connected to port dues and taxes, and the services required to prepare the ship for it's next cruise ( including food, alcohol and merchandise for sale on the ship ) . The main shopping area's in Southampton do not really gain a great deal from the cruise passengers as Southampton hasn't really mastered the best ways to project itself as a tourist friendly city , bad planning in the past has allowed a lot of it's historic walls and buildings to be masked from view. Access to the waterside is poor and facilities there are virtually non-existent .[/p][/quote]Presumably you have carried out a carefully researched economic impact study relating to the effect that the cruise business has on the Southampton and wider Hampshire economy from your bunker in Birkenhead? I am sure it would be of great benefit to all down here OR are your comments based on assumptions?[/p][/quote]It's not rocket science but ...... The fuel used to move one of these huge ships plus the stores consisting of food, water and all other merchandise stocked and used on each voyage ( I bet 2000 - 3000 passengers plus a very large crew get through a King's ransom in toilet rolls alone, not to mention cleaning materials and laundry for all the beds ). Other services once ashore include emptying the toilet waste tanks, employing service engineers to carry out ship repairs and remedial work whilst the ship is in port. Port taxes and duties, together with immigration and customs due's. All these items will be supplied by companies and organisations who are probably nationally or internationally based who's profits won't stay in the Southampton locality but if you think about the amount this adds up to, it means that very little actually ends up in the shops and businesses within the main shopping / attractions area of Southampton.[/p][/quote]My sister works in the Grand Harbour hotel & I can tell you not all cruise ship passengers go straight out of the city. The Ibis ,The Novotel are normally packed with cruise ship passengers & I was in Asda today with cruise ship passengers making last minute purchases before they join the ship.[/p][/quote]Loosehead I am not attacking Southampton, I am merely pointing out that Southampton is not getting as much money into it's city centre stores, hotels and attractions as it probably could because the city council , city centre retail organisations and other interested parties are not working in unison. Every successful town / city that is involved with tourists / visitors runs a very tight ship were all interested parties plan and discuss how best to cater for their guests and to maximise the economic gains from having a thriving tourist industry, I'm afraid Southampton just doesn't have a clue in this field. You should send a deputation to York or Chester, you simply can't see what you are doing wrong.[/p][/quote]Everything you've said is based on your own assumptions, no evidence. I think Southampton being home & port to all the worlds largest liners & all the great ships is evidence enough that the city is doing fine & won't be losing it's ships to smaller places that want them. As I've said before, what the South as a whole has to offer, the proximity to London, the country's main airports as well as links to Europe simply can't be beaten.[/p][/quote]You simply have no idea, in your little world cruise ships obviously don't need re-fueling they simply run on fresh air, passengers don't eat or drink and never buy merchandise on board ship. In your special little world of make believe, when a cruise ship docks £ 1,250.000 instantly gets spent in the shops and attractions of Southampton Well it's time you joined the real world and realised that ........ ************* The fuel used to move one of these huge ships plus the stores consisting of food, water and all other merchandise stocked and used on each voyage ( I bet 2000 - 3000 passengers plus a very large crew get through a King's ransom in toilet rolls alone, not to mention cleaning materials and laundry for all the beds ). Other services once ashore include emptying the toilet waste tanks, employing service engineers to carry out ship repairs and remedial work whilst the ship is in port. Port taxes and duties, together with immigration and customs due's. All these items will be supplied by companies and organisations who are probably nationally or internationally based who's profits won't stay in the Southampton locality but if you think about the amount this adds up to, it means that very little actually ends up in the shops and businesses within the main shopping / attractions area of Southampton. *********** My breakdown of the typical spend of the supposed £ 1,250,000 is far more realistic than your assumption that Southampton shops and attractions attract this amount directly. It is time that you and others learn't to think outside the box and take in the whole picture not some distorted illusion of the truth. search for the truth
  • Score: -1

9:33am Mon 26 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Gristy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam!

So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED
Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend .....
.
You never fail to make me laugh. Laughing at what a sad little individual you are!

Take a break, your keyboard needs to cool down.
What a perfect example you are of how taxpayers money is wasted on certain peoples education
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gristy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam! So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED[/p][/quote]Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend ..... .[/p][/quote]You never fail to make me laugh. Laughing at what a sad little individual you are! Take a break, your keyboard needs to cool down.[/p][/quote]What a perfect example you are of how taxpayers money is wasted on certain peoples education Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

9:41am Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting,

" Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "
Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see!

Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?
I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work.
The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly.
Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story
Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city.

On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.
When cruise ships start and end their trips at Southampton the mass majority will simply travel straight in or out of Southampton either by car or coach along the M27 or by train. Any visits in the locality are usually to the New Forest or Stonehenge ( local coach firms may make money but the centre of Southampton won't ).

The vast amount of the money generated when a ship is in Southampton is connected to port dues and taxes, and the services required to prepare the ship for it's next cruise ( including food, alcohol and merchandise for sale on the ship ) .

The main shopping area's in Southampton do not really gain a great deal from the cruise passengers as Southampton hasn't really mastered the best ways to project itself as a tourist friendly city , bad planning in the past has allowed a lot of it's historic walls and buildings to be masked from view. Access to the waterside is poor and facilities there are virtually non-existent .
Presumably you have carried out a carefully researched economic impact study relating to the effect that the cruise business has on the Southampton and wider Hampshire economy from your bunker in Birkenhead?
I am sure it would be of great benefit to all down here OR are your comments based on assumptions?
It's not rocket science but ......

The fuel used to move one of these huge ships plus the stores consisting of food, water and all other merchandise stocked and used on each voyage ( I bet 2000 - 3000 passengers plus a very large crew get through a King's ransom in toilet rolls alone, not to mention cleaning materials and laundry for all the beds ).
Other services once ashore include emptying the toilet waste tanks, employing service engineers to carry out ship repairs and remedial work whilst the ship is in port. Port taxes and duties, together with immigration and customs due's.

All these items will be supplied by companies and organisations who are probably nationally or internationally based who's profits won't stay in the Southampton locality but if you think about the amount this adds up to, it means that very little actually ends up in the shops and businesses within the main shopping / attractions area of Southampton.
My sister works in the Grand Harbour hotel & I can tell you not all cruise ship passengers go straight out of the city.
The Ibis ,The Novotel are normally packed with cruise ship passengers & I was in Asda today with cruise ship passengers making last minute purchases before they join the ship.
Loosehead I am not attacking Southampton, I am merely pointing out that Southampton is not getting as much money into it's city centre stores, hotels and attractions as it probably could because the city council , city centre retail organisations and other interested parties are not working in unison.

Every successful town / city that is involved with tourists / visitors runs a very tight ship were all interested parties plan and discuss how best to cater for their guests and to maximise the economic gains from having a thriving tourist industry, I'm afraid Southampton just doesn't have a clue in this field. You should send a deputation to York or Chester, you simply can't see what you are doing wrong.
Everything you've said is based on your own assumptions, no evidence.

I think Southampton being home & port to all the worlds largest liners & all the great ships is evidence enough that the city is doing fine & won't be losing it's ships to smaller places that want them.

As I've said before, what the South as a whole has to offer, the proximity to London, the country's main airports as well as links to Europe simply can't be beaten.
You simply have no idea, in your little world cruise ships obviously don't need re-fueling they simply run on fresh air, passengers don't eat or drink and never buy merchandise on board ship.

In your special little world of make believe, when a cruise ship docks
£ 1,250.000 instantly gets spent in the shops and attractions of Southampton
Well it's time you joined the real world and realised that ........

*************

The fuel used to move one of these huge ships plus the stores consisting of food, water and all other merchandise stocked and used on each voyage ( I bet 2000 - 3000 passengers plus a very large crew get through a King's ransom in toilet rolls alone, not to mention cleaning materials and laundry for all the beds ).
Other services once ashore include emptying the toilet waste tanks, employing service engineers to carry out ship repairs and remedial work whilst the ship is in port. Port taxes and duties, together with immigration and customs due's.

All these items will be supplied by companies and organisations who are probably nationally or internationally based who's profits won't stay in the Southampton locality but if you think about the amount this adds up to, it means that very little actually ends up in the shops and businesses within the main shopping / attractions area of Southampton.

***********

My breakdown of the typical spend of the supposed £ 1,250,000 is far more realistic than your assumption that Southampton shops and attractions attract this amount directly.

It is time that you and others learn't to think outside the box and take in the whole picture not some distorted illusion of the truth.
You're clutching at straws now.

You said most passengers rarely spend any time in the city. You could not back this up with any evidence and in response I said on average each docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. I didn't say £1.25m was spent it the city centre, it could well be but I don't know. Each docking is WORTH on average £1.25m to the local economy, not it costs £1.25m in costs for each docking & the city might make a little of the leftover...

The benefit to Southampton's economy is wonderful & the city's hotels, restaurants & shops are thriving because of the industry. The rest of the South and the South East also benefit from the industry & I can see the bigger picture & what the industry means to the South as a whole. You seem to focus on the industry in Southampton and how you want that industry in Liverpool.

So with my explanation, I really have to pass your comment back to you - I've always been looking at the bigger picture, you have not.
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: The council should get a Town Crier to wander the streets of Southampton shouting, " Abandon all hope, ye citizens of Southampton for the cruise ships are a coming and the town is going to come to a standstill yet again !!!!!! "[/p][/quote]Liverpool's shipping spokesperson here again I see! Do you have some form of news alert e-mailed to you or do you scan the Daily Echo daily to find a story you can try & belittle Southampton?[/p][/quote]I wasn't belittling the good citizens of Southampton, I was offering my condolences to the vast majority of the population there who have to suffer continual disruption due to a complete lack of organizational skills displayed by your council, ABP , the cruise lines and the contractors carrying out the work. The vast majority of the population gain no benefit from the cruise ship or the traffic chaos that regularly occurs, as most of the passengers using Southampton rarely spend any time in Southampton , as the council can't even market Southampton properly. Southampton has many fine medieval walls and buildings that are obscured from view by bad planning decisions taken taken by the council over a very long time, if you want to see how you should have promoted Southampton you only have to look at York or Chester to see how it can be a success story[/p][/quote]Interesting you say that most of the passengers rarely spend any time in the city. On average each & every docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. Please share your evidence that proves otherwise because £1.25m for each docking doesn't sound "very little" to me.[/p][/quote]When cruise ships start and end their trips at Southampton the mass majority will simply travel straight in or out of Southampton either by car or coach along the M27 or by train. Any visits in the locality are usually to the New Forest or Stonehenge ( local coach firms may make money but the centre of Southampton won't ). The vast amount of the money generated when a ship is in Southampton is connected to port dues and taxes, and the services required to prepare the ship for it's next cruise ( including food, alcohol and merchandise for sale on the ship ) . The main shopping area's in Southampton do not really gain a great deal from the cruise passengers as Southampton hasn't really mastered the best ways to project itself as a tourist friendly city , bad planning in the past has allowed a lot of it's historic walls and buildings to be masked from view. Access to the waterside is poor and facilities there are virtually non-existent .[/p][/quote]Presumably you have carried out a carefully researched economic impact study relating to the effect that the cruise business has on the Southampton and wider Hampshire economy from your bunker in Birkenhead? I am sure it would be of great benefit to all down here OR are your comments based on assumptions?[/p][/quote]It's not rocket science but ...... The fuel used to move one of these huge ships plus the stores consisting of food, water and all other merchandise stocked and used on each voyage ( I bet 2000 - 3000 passengers plus a very large crew get through a King's ransom in toilet rolls alone, not to mention cleaning materials and laundry for all the beds ). Other services once ashore include emptying the toilet waste tanks, employing service engineers to carry out ship repairs and remedial work whilst the ship is in port. Port taxes and duties, together with immigration and customs due's. All these items will be supplied by companies and organisations who are probably nationally or internationally based who's profits won't stay in the Southampton locality but if you think about the amount this adds up to, it means that very little actually ends up in the shops and businesses within the main shopping / attractions area of Southampton.[/p][/quote]My sister works in the Grand Harbour hotel & I can tell you not all cruise ship passengers go straight out of the city. The Ibis ,The Novotel are normally packed with cruise ship passengers & I was in Asda today with cruise ship passengers making last minute purchases before they join the ship.[/p][/quote]Loosehead I am not attacking Southampton, I am merely pointing out that Southampton is not getting as much money into it's city centre stores, hotels and attractions as it probably could because the city council , city centre retail organisations and other interested parties are not working in unison. Every successful town / city that is involved with tourists / visitors runs a very tight ship were all interested parties plan and discuss how best to cater for their guests and to maximise the economic gains from having a thriving tourist industry, I'm afraid Southampton just doesn't have a clue in this field. You should send a deputation to York or Chester, you simply can't see what you are doing wrong.[/p][/quote]Everything you've said is based on your own assumptions, no evidence. I think Southampton being home & port to all the worlds largest liners & all the great ships is evidence enough that the city is doing fine & won't be losing it's ships to smaller places that want them. As I've said before, what the South as a whole has to offer, the proximity to London, the country's main airports as well as links to Europe simply can't be beaten.[/p][/quote]You simply have no idea, in your little world cruise ships obviously don't need re-fueling they simply run on fresh air, passengers don't eat or drink and never buy merchandise on board ship. In your special little world of make believe, when a cruise ship docks £ 1,250.000 instantly gets spent in the shops and attractions of Southampton Well it's time you joined the real world and realised that ........ ************* The fuel used to move one of these huge ships plus the stores consisting of food, water and all other merchandise stocked and used on each voyage ( I bet 2000 - 3000 passengers plus a very large crew get through a King's ransom in toilet rolls alone, not to mention cleaning materials and laundry for all the beds ). Other services once ashore include emptying the toilet waste tanks, employing service engineers to carry out ship repairs and remedial work whilst the ship is in port. Port taxes and duties, together with immigration and customs due's. All these items will be supplied by companies and organisations who are probably nationally or internationally based who's profits won't stay in the Southampton locality but if you think about the amount this adds up to, it means that very little actually ends up in the shops and businesses within the main shopping / attractions area of Southampton. *********** My breakdown of the typical spend of the supposed £ 1,250,000 is far more realistic than your assumption that Southampton shops and attractions attract this amount directly. It is time that you and others learn't to think outside the box and take in the whole picture not some distorted illusion of the truth.[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws now. You said most passengers rarely spend any time in the city. You could not back this up with any evidence and in response I said on average each docking is worth £1.25m to the local economy. I didn't say £1.25m was spent it the city centre, it could well be but I don't know. Each docking is WORTH on average £1.25m to the local economy, not it costs £1.25m in costs for each docking & the city might make a little of the leftover... The benefit to Southampton's economy is wonderful & the city's hotels, restaurants & shops are thriving because of the industry. The rest of the South and the South East also benefit from the industry & I can see the bigger picture & what the industry means to the South as a whole. You seem to focus on the industry in Southampton and how you want that industry in Liverpool. So with my explanation, I really have to pass your comment back to you - I've always been looking at the bigger picture, you have not. sotonboy84
  • Score: 2

9:42am Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Gristy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam!

So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED
Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend .....
.
You never fail to make me laugh. Laughing at what a sad little individual you are!

Take a break, your keyboard needs to cool down.
What a perfect example you are of how taxpayers money is wasted on certain peoples education
Who said taxpayers funded my education?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gristy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam! So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED[/p][/quote]Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend ..... .[/p][/quote]You never fail to make me laugh. Laughing at what a sad little individual you are! Take a break, your keyboard needs to cool down.[/p][/quote]What a perfect example you are of how taxpayers money is wasted on certain peoples education[/p][/quote]Who said taxpayers funded my education? sotonboy84
  • Score: 1

9:44am Mon 26 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Gristy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam!

So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED
Ok Gristy .... lets start again ...
.
Firstly Not a youngster and Secondly Not ignorant ....... so your comments are off focus to start with ....
.
I really seem to miss your point .. if there is one. .... as you want to compare the "Good old Days" with today ..... and there is no comparison.
.
The vast amount of Freight is containerised today.
.
Passengers arrive, in the main, by cars which are driven away off site and parked up ....... You refer to days when the bulk of passengers arrived by train straight into the docks ......
.
Apart from that i have no idea where you are coming from.
.
You cant compare the docks of today with the "Good old Days
[quote][p][bold]Gristy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam! So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED[/p][/quote]Ok Gristy .... lets start again ... . Firstly Not a youngster and Secondly Not ignorant ....... so your comments are off focus to start with .... . I really seem to miss your point .. if there is one. .... as you want to compare the "Good old Days" with today ..... and there is no comparison. . The vast amount of Freight is containerised today. . Passengers arrive, in the main, by cars which are driven away off site and parked up ....... You refer to days when the bulk of passengers arrived by train straight into the docks ...... . Apart from that i have no idea where you are coming from. . You cant compare the docks of today with the "Good old Days Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

9:45am Mon 26 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Gristy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam!

So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED
Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend .....
.
You never fail to make me laugh. Laughing at what a sad little individual you are!

Take a break, your keyboard needs to cool down.
What a perfect example you are of how taxpayers money is wasted on certain peoples education
Who said taxpayers funded my education?
You obviously didnt go to school then ...... which now explains so much
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gristy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam! So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED[/p][/quote]Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend ..... .[/p][/quote]You never fail to make me laugh. Laughing at what a sad little individual you are! Take a break, your keyboard needs to cool down.[/p][/quote]What a perfect example you are of how taxpayers money is wasted on certain peoples education[/p][/quote]Who said taxpayers funded my education?[/p][/quote]You obviously didnt go to school then ...... which now explains so much Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -1

10:24am Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Gristy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam!

So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED
Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend .....
.
You never fail to make me laugh. Laughing at what a sad little individual you are!

Take a break, your keyboard needs to cool down.
What a perfect example you are of how taxpayers money is wasted on certain peoples education
Who said taxpayers funded my education?
You obviously didnt go to school then ...... which now explains so much
Yes, obviously.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gristy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam! So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED[/p][/quote]Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend ..... .[/p][/quote]You never fail to make me laugh. Laughing at what a sad little individual you are! Take a break, your keyboard needs to cool down.[/p][/quote]What a perfect example you are of how taxpayers money is wasted on certain peoples education[/p][/quote]Who said taxpayers funded my education?[/p][/quote]You obviously didnt go to school then ...... which now explains so much[/p][/quote]Yes, obviously. sotonboy84
  • Score: 0

11:04am Mon 26 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Gristy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam!

So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED
Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend .....
.
You never fail to make me laugh. Laughing at what a sad little individual you are!

Take a break, your keyboard needs to cool down.
What a perfect example you are of how taxpayers money is wasted on certain peoples education
Who said taxpayers funded my education?
You obviously didnt go to school then ...... which now explains so much
Yes, obviously.
Thank you for the confirmation ..........
.
Had i realised that you were lacking in the very basics of education then i would have been less harsh on some of the pathetic posts that you made.
.
Please excuse me for mistaking you as someone with intellegence
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gristy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam! So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED[/p][/quote]Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend ..... .[/p][/quote]You never fail to make me laugh. Laughing at what a sad little individual you are! Take a break, your keyboard needs to cool down.[/p][/quote]What a perfect example you are of how taxpayers money is wasted on certain peoples education[/p][/quote]Who said taxpayers funded my education?[/p][/quote]You obviously didnt go to school then ...... which now explains so much[/p][/quote]Yes, obviously.[/p][/quote]Thank you for the confirmation .......... . Had i realised that you were lacking in the very basics of education then i would have been less harsh on some of the pathetic posts that you made. . Please excuse me for mistaking you as someone with intellegence Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

12:06pm Mon 26 May 14

WoolstonSean says...

espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
Because liners in the 60s were far smaller with a fraction of the passengers carried on todays mega cruise ships plus the majority arrive by car and coach. With the demise of British Rail even the boat trains have stopped and even those would not be beneficial to most paasengers if they were still offered.

Liners in the 60s were generally in port for more than a day and together with less passengers and crew that obviously meant less traffic as car ownership was a luxury back then!

So get with the time this is 2014 not the 60s.
[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]Because liners in the 60s were far smaller with a fraction of the passengers carried on todays mega cruise ships plus the majority arrive by car and coach. With the demise of British Rail even the boat trains have stopped and even those would not be beneficial to most paasengers if they were still offered. Liners in the 60s were generally in port for more than a day and together with less passengers and crew that obviously meant less traffic as car ownership was a luxury back then! So get with the time this is 2014 not the 60s. WoolstonSean
  • Score: 1

1:53pm Mon 26 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

WoolstonSean wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
Because liners in the 60s were far smaller with a fraction of the passengers carried on todays mega cruise ships plus the majority arrive by car and coach. With the demise of British Rail even the boat trains have stopped and even those would not be beneficial to most paasengers if they were still offered.

Liners in the 60s were generally in port for more than a day and together with less passengers and crew that obviously meant less traffic as car ownership was a luxury back then!

So get with the time this is 2014 not the 60s.
Quite correct ..... How on earth can these posters compare today's shipping with that of the 60's is absolutely beyong me
[quote][p][bold]WoolstonSean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]Because liners in the 60s were far smaller with a fraction of the passengers carried on todays mega cruise ships plus the majority arrive by car and coach. With the demise of British Rail even the boat trains have stopped and even those would not be beneficial to most paasengers if they were still offered. Liners in the 60s were generally in port for more than a day and together with less passengers and crew that obviously meant less traffic as car ownership was a luxury back then! So get with the time this is 2014 not the 60s.[/p][/quote]Quite correct ..... How on earth can these posters compare today's shipping with that of the 60's is absolutely beyong me Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

2:17pm Mon 26 May 14

loosehead says...

Sorry but let's look at the amount of ships that were in Port! Old docks full New Docks full every available bert full of ships with crew & passengers.
Now look at the modern ships less crews ( much of the operations are automated so less engine room staff are needed.
5-6 ships in is at least half of what was in so are you saying the new cruise ships hold 3-4 times more capacity to the Canberra,QE2,Oriana,
Oranje & all Union Castle & P& O ships?
Add the ship repair yards are you also saying less people worked in the docks than now?
Maybe Ocean Village & the sprawling houses around that area of dock gate 4 had more to do with the increase of traffic with only the Tory council putting in plans to alleviate the problem(dock gate 4 road layout).
I guess the road works we're now having has nothing to do with it neither then?
I used dock gate 4 a lot in the seventies & even then the road wasn't bad.
I came back from Thailand & lived in Weston & the road from woolston over the bridge down to dock gate 4 was bumper to bumper even with out ships in port but then hey presto from dock gate 4 no problem so is it really the ships or just the road layout from the Itchen bridge?
Sorry but let's look at the amount of ships that were in Port! Old docks full New Docks full every available bert full of ships with crew & passengers. Now look at the modern ships less crews ( much of the operations are automated so less engine room staff are needed. 5-6 ships in is at least half of what was in so are you saying the new cruise ships hold 3-4 times more capacity to the Canberra,QE2,Oriana, Oranje & all Union Castle & P& O ships? Add the ship repair yards are you also saying less people worked in the docks than now? Maybe Ocean Village & the sprawling houses around that area of dock gate 4 had more to do with the increase of traffic with only the Tory council putting in plans to alleviate the problem(dock gate 4 road layout). I guess the road works we're now having has nothing to do with it neither then? I used dock gate 4 a lot in the seventies & even then the road wasn't bad. I came back from Thailand & lived in Weston & the road from woolston over the bridge down to dock gate 4 was bumper to bumper even with out ships in port but then hey presto from dock gate 4 no problem so is it really the ships or just the road layout from the Itchen bridge? loosehead
  • Score: 0

2:35pm Mon 26 May 14

Gristy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Gristy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam!

So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED
Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend .....
.
Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend ..... .

OK what should i call you then?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gristy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam! So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED[/p][/quote]Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend ..... .[/p][/quote]Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend ..... . OK what should i call you then? Gristy
  • Score: 1

5:47pm Mon 26 May 14

loosehead says...

Gristy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Gristy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam!

So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED
Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend .....
.
Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend ..... .

OK what should i call you then?
For a clue read some of my debates with this person.
[quote][p][bold]Gristy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gristy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam! So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED[/p][/quote]Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend ..... .[/p][/quote]Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend ..... . OK what should i call you then?[/p][/quote]For a clue read some of my debates with this person. loosehead
  • Score: 0

5:53pm Mon 26 May 14

loosehead says...

I think people should take responsibility for this traffic chaos as it's quite easy to take another route into town especially if there's road works or cruise ships in port.
But Rayment should also shoulder some of the blame if not the majority of it as she's in charge of roads & she set in motion the road works & as it seems none have been staggered.
She made a mess of the cycle lanes/way at Itchen Bridge lets get it right Balfour Beatty just does as it's told to do by her so come on Labour stop throwing the blame at the only successful industry we still have & take the blame.
But don't worry the gullible voters will still vote you in.
I think people should take responsibility for this traffic chaos as it's quite easy to take another route into town especially if there's road works or cruise ships in port. But Rayment should also shoulder some of the blame if not the majority of it as she's in charge of roads & she set in motion the road works & as it seems none have been staggered. She made a mess of the cycle lanes/way at Itchen Bridge lets get it right Balfour Beatty just does as it's told to do by her so come on Labour stop throwing the blame at the only successful industry we still have & take the blame. But don't worry the gullible voters will still vote you in. loosehead
  • Score: 0

6:35pm Mon 26 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Gristy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Gristy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.
How many liners came in at the same time.
.
How many people were involved.
.
How many cars were there just for the passengers.
.
When you answer these you will answer your own question
Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam!

So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED
Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend .....
.
Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend ..... .

OK what should i call you then?
He's very unstable so maybe, "Stable Mabel".
[quote][p][bold]Gristy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gristy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: We didn't get this trouble in the 60s when we had the liners coming in.[/p][/quote]How many liners came in at the same time. . How many people were involved. . How many cars were there just for the passengers. . When you answer these you will answer your own question[/p][/quote]Well ignorant youngster, least it would appear that way. Back in the Good Old days, and I mean that, we had at any given time docked alongside OUR docks, 2 or 3 Union Castle boats, a Queen or two, some Shaw Seville and a few P&O all lying busy working at the dockside plus a number of cargo boats all of which, were discharging or loading freight, same for passengers. All ran smoothly not a hick-up anywhere. Then my friend, we had strike upon strike and England's second largest and busiest port, lost all that business to the continent. Hello Rotterdam! So you see Lone Ranger it all ran smoothly then, real organization and real planning. Quite simple if you have brains. Now of course we have lost all of that, most of the country being now being managed officials who are dim-wits, partially educated who haven't a clue about management! QED[/p][/quote]Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend ..... .[/p][/quote]Only one point to make ....... DONT call me your friend ..... . OK what should i call you then?[/p][/quote]He's very unstable so maybe, "Stable Mabel". sotonboy84
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