Help to Buy scheme is not enough, says Labour

Daily Echo: Prime Minister David Cameron visited Sharon O’Donnell back in January to talk about her experience of the Help to Buy scheme. Prime Minister David Cameron visited Sharon O’Donnell back in January to talk about her experience of the Help to Buy scheme.

ONE hundred and twenty people have bought homes in Southampton through the Government’s flagship Help to Buy scheme.

More than 27,000 people across the UK have bought homes through Help To Buy’s two separate Equity Loan and Mortgage Guarantee schemes.

But while a Conservative parliamentary candidate in Southampton says that the policy has allowed families in the city to enjoy greater financial stability, critics have said that it “isn’t enough” and have urged the Government to concentrate on building new homes instead.

The Equity Loan scheme works by providing a Government loan of up to 20 per cent, meaning that people only require a five per cent cash deposit to bid for a 75 per cent mortgage for a newly-built home.

Through the Mortgage Guarantee scheme, the Government guarantees the mortgages of people who can afford repayments but do not have large deposits for new or old homes.

Prime Minister David Cameron visited Southampton in January, shortly after the Mortgage Guarantee scheme was launched, to champion the initiative.

Speaking after Government figures revealed both schemes had helped 120 families in Southampton, Itchen Conservative candidate Cllr Royston Smith said: “Labour’s Great Recession led to a collapse in house-building and meant hard-working people found it nearly impossible to buy their own home.

“That’s why the Conservatives, as part of our long-term economic plan, launched Help to Buy so that more people could get an affordable mortgage and get on the housing ladder.

“Thanks to the Conservatives, even more families have been able to achieve their dream of owning their own home and can now enjoy greater financial security allowing them to plan for their future.”

His rival for the Itchen seat, Labour candidate Rowenna Davis, said: “It’s great news that 120 families have new homes in our city.

“We have a savage housing shortage in Southampton, and too many people can’t afford a decent home to bring up their families.

“But Help to Buy is not enough, and as the Governor of the Bank of England warned last week, we have to be careful not to create another housing bubble. We need to tackle the root cause of this problem, which is the critical shortage of affordable housing.

“Our solution is to increase housing supply. Nationally Labour has promised a mass house building programme, while Southampton’s Labour council has pledged to build one new home a day.

“That way homes become more affordable for everyone, and we all have less debt.”

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1:31pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Quentin Heslop says...

See also angry residents vow to fight housing plan in Arlresford today along with numerous other such stories carried by DE. Labour and Southampton council will be very unpopular.
See also angry residents vow to fight housing plan in Arlresford today along with numerous other such stories carried by DE. Labour and Southampton council will be very unpopular. Quentin Heslop
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2:00pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Quentin Heslop wrote:
See also angry residents vow to fight housing plan in Arlresford today along with numerous other such stories carried by DE. Labour and Southampton council will be very unpopular.
Alresford is NOT in Southampton ...... and which other numerous stories are you refering to ......
[quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: See also angry residents vow to fight housing plan in Arlresford today along with numerous other such stories carried by DE. Labour and Southampton council will be very unpopular.[/p][/quote]Alresford is NOT in Southampton ...... and which other numerous stories are you refering to ...... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

2:51pm Mon 2 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

Labour were in charge when this country went almost bust and Lone Ranger knows it.
Labour were in charge when this country went almost bust and Lone Ranger knows it. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 3

3:01pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour were in charge when this country went almost bust and Lone Ranger knows it.
....... A country brought to its knees by an industry that still donates heavily to the Tories and who the Tories defend to the hilt ..... Yes Bankers .....
.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour were in charge when this country went almost bust and Lone Ranger knows it.[/p][/quote]....... A country brought to its knees by an industry that still donates heavily to the Tories and who the Tories defend to the hilt ..... Yes Bankers ..... . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -6

3:01pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour were in charge when this country went almost bust and Lone Ranger knows it.
....... A country brought to its knees by an industry that still donates heavily to the Tories and who the Tories defend to the hilt ..... Yes Bankers .....
.
Oh yes ....... and a Worldwide recession
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour were in charge when this country went almost bust and Lone Ranger knows it.[/p][/quote]....... A country brought to its knees by an industry that still donates heavily to the Tories and who the Tories defend to the hilt ..... Yes Bankers ..... . Oh yes ....... and a Worldwide recession Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -2

3:04pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour were in charge when this country went almost bust and Lone Ranger knows it.
....... A country brought to its knees by an industry that still donates heavily to the Tories and who the Tories defend to the hilt ..... Yes Bankers .....
.
Oh yes ....... and a Worldwide recession
........ And still the electorate desert the Tories in their thousands ....... now what does that tell you Aldermoorboy ...... or are you too blind to see it
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour were in charge when this country went almost bust and Lone Ranger knows it.[/p][/quote]....... A country brought to its knees by an industry that still donates heavily to the Tories and who the Tories defend to the hilt ..... Yes Bankers ..... . Oh yes ....... and a Worldwide recession[/p][/quote]........ And still the electorate desert the Tories in their thousands ....... now what does that tell you Aldermoorboy ...... or are you too blind to see it Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -1

4:01pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Torchie1 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour were in charge when this country went almost bust and Lone Ranger knows it.
....... A country brought to its knees by an industry that still donates heavily to the Tories and who the Tories defend to the hilt ..... Yes Bankers .....
.
Oh yes ....... and a Worldwide recession
........ And still the electorate desert the Tories in their thousands ....... now what does that tell you Aldermoorboy ...... or are you too blind to see it
Oh dear, we are in a bad mood today!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour were in charge when this country went almost bust and Lone Ranger knows it.[/p][/quote]....... A country brought to its knees by an industry that still donates heavily to the Tories and who the Tories defend to the hilt ..... Yes Bankers ..... . Oh yes ....... and a Worldwide recession[/p][/quote]........ And still the electorate desert the Tories in their thousands ....... now what does that tell you Aldermoorboy ...... or are you too blind to see it[/p][/quote]Oh dear, we are in a bad mood today! Torchie1
  • Score: 4

4:20pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour were in charge when this country went almost bust and Lone Ranger knows it.
....... A country brought to its knees by an industry that still donates heavily to the Tories and who the Tories defend to the hilt ..... Yes Bankers .....
.
Oh yes ....... and a Worldwide recession
........ And still the electorate desert the Tories in their thousands ....... now what does that tell you Aldermoorboy ...... or are you too blind to see it
Oh dear, we are in a bad mood today!
No ..... this is a good mood ...... sometimes i get really cross when i see the tripe that Aldermoorboy and his Tory Lemmings post
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour were in charge when this country went almost bust and Lone Ranger knows it.[/p][/quote]....... A country brought to its knees by an industry that still donates heavily to the Tories and who the Tories defend to the hilt ..... Yes Bankers ..... . Oh yes ....... and a Worldwide recession[/p][/quote]........ And still the electorate desert the Tories in their thousands ....... now what does that tell you Aldermoorboy ...... or are you too blind to see it[/p][/quote]Oh dear, we are in a bad mood today![/p][/quote]No ..... this is a good mood ...... sometimes i get really cross when i see the tripe that Aldermoorboy and his Tory Lemmings post Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -2

4:27pm Mon 2 Jun 14

sotonboy84 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour were in charge when this country went almost bust and Lone Ranger knows it.
....... A country brought to its knees by an industry that still donates heavily to the Tories and who the Tories defend to the hilt ..... Yes Bankers .....
.
Oh yes ....... and a Worldwide recession
........ And still the electorate desert the Tories in their thousands ....... now what does that tell you Aldermoorboy ...... or are you too blind to see it
Not forgetting the UK's recession, caused by Labour's uncapped borrowing with no long term plan to pay it back!

Selective as always.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour were in charge when this country went almost bust and Lone Ranger knows it.[/p][/quote]....... A country brought to its knees by an industry that still donates heavily to the Tories and who the Tories defend to the hilt ..... Yes Bankers ..... . Oh yes ....... and a Worldwide recession[/p][/quote]........ And still the electorate desert the Tories in their thousands ....... now what does that tell you Aldermoorboy ...... or are you too blind to see it[/p][/quote]Not forgetting the UK's recession, caused by Labour's uncapped borrowing with no long term plan to pay it back! Selective as always. sotonboy84
  • Score: 1

4:47pm Mon 2 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

We lost Rickie Lambert under a Labour council, the Tories would have kept him here.
We lost Rickie Lambert under a Labour council, the Tories would have kept him here. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 0

6:20pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

".......which is the critical shortage of affordable housing. "
So right Ms Davies, as any estate agent will tell you, as they hand over the agency keys to Oxfam or Save the Children and plead with the leasing company to cancel their contracts on the three and a half litre Beemer. No one can afford them. Millions of houses stand empty for the want of a buyer. If you mean "subsidised housing " (i.e. your friendly Labour councillor will tell you can't rent it cos his mate wants it) then just try to get the word out. Can't be that hard. Bet you went to coll.
".......which is the critical shortage of affordable housing. " So right Ms Davies, as any estate agent will tell you, as they hand over the agency keys to Oxfam or Save the Children and plead with the leasing company to cancel their contracts on the three and a half litre Beemer. No one can afford them. Millions of houses stand empty for the want of a buyer. If you mean "subsidised housing " (i.e. your friendly Labour councillor will tell you can't rent it cos his mate wants it) then just try to get the word out. Can't be that hard. Bet you went to coll. Dai Rear
  • Score: -3

6:35pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour were in charge when this country went almost bust and Lone Ranger knows it.
....... A country brought to its knees by an industry that still donates heavily to the Tories and who the Tories defend to the hilt ..... Yes Bankers .....
.
Oh yes ....... and a Worldwide recession
........ And still the electorate desert the Tories in their thousands ....... now what does that tell you Aldermoorboy ...... or are you too blind to see it
Not forgetting the UK's recession, caused by Labour's uncapped borrowing with no long term plan to pay it back!

Selective as always.
..... and you selectively miss the rest of the post ....... how predictable are YOU
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour were in charge when this country went almost bust and Lone Ranger knows it.[/p][/quote]....... A country brought to its knees by an industry that still donates heavily to the Tories and who the Tories defend to the hilt ..... Yes Bankers ..... . Oh yes ....... and a Worldwide recession[/p][/quote]........ And still the electorate desert the Tories in their thousands ....... now what does that tell you Aldermoorboy ...... or are you too blind to see it[/p][/quote]Not forgetting the UK's recession, caused by Labour's uncapped borrowing with no long term plan to pay it back! Selective as always.[/p][/quote]..... and you selectively miss the rest of the post ....... how predictable are YOU Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -1

6:44pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Quentin Heslop says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quentin Heslop wrote:
See also angry residents vow to fight housing plan in Arlresford today along with numerous other such stories carried by DE. Labour and Southampton council will be very unpopular.
Alresford is NOT in Southampton ...... and which other numerous stories are you refering to ......
Boorley Green 7 May, Hook in March to name two. Plenty of others if you care to look on DE site alone.

Neither in Southampton but that's irrelevant to the point being made.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: See also angry residents vow to fight housing plan in Arlresford today along with numerous other such stories carried by DE. Labour and Southampton council will be very unpopular.[/p][/quote]Alresford is NOT in Southampton ...... and which other numerous stories are you refering to ......[/p][/quote]Boorley Green 7 May, Hook in March to name two. Plenty of others if you care to look on DE site alone. Neither in Southampton but that's irrelevant to the point being made. Quentin Heslop
  • Score: 3

7:37pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Quentin Heslop wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quentin Heslop wrote:
See also angry residents vow to fight housing plan in Arlresford today along with numerous other such stories carried by DE. Labour and Southampton council will be very unpopular.
Alresford is NOT in Southampton ...... and which other numerous stories are you refering to ......
Boorley Green 7 May, Hook in March to name two. Plenty of others if you care to look on DE site alone.

Neither in Southampton but that's irrelevant to the point being made.
I suggest that you read your own post ........ Why will Southampton council be unpopular ......... It has nothing to do with what your post says
[quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: See also angry residents vow to fight housing plan in Arlresford today along with numerous other such stories carried by DE. Labour and Southampton council will be very unpopular.[/p][/quote]Alresford is NOT in Southampton ...... and which other numerous stories are you refering to ......[/p][/quote]Boorley Green 7 May, Hook in March to name two. Plenty of others if you care to look on DE site alone. Neither in Southampton but that's irrelevant to the point being made.[/p][/quote]I suggest that you read your own post ........ Why will Southampton council be unpopular ......... It has nothing to do with what your post says Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -1

8:16pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Quentin Heslop says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quentin Heslop wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quentin Heslop wrote:
See also angry residents vow to fight housing plan in Arlresford today along with numerous other such stories carried by DE. Labour and Southampton council will be very unpopular.
Alresford is NOT in Southampton ...... and which other numerous stories are you refering to ......
Boorley Green 7 May, Hook in March to name two. Plenty of others if you care to look on DE site alone.

Neither in Southampton but that's irrelevant to the point being made.
I suggest that you read your own post ........ Why will Southampton council be unpopular ......... It has nothing to do with what your post says
Obviously because, apparently, SCC want to build a house a day and Labour want a mass building programme. Just look elsewhere in Echo archives and wherever development is proposed there is residents' anger. The two directly correlate.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: See also angry residents vow to fight housing plan in Arlresford today along with numerous other such stories carried by DE. Labour and Southampton council will be very unpopular.[/p][/quote]Alresford is NOT in Southampton ...... and which other numerous stories are you refering to ......[/p][/quote]Boorley Green 7 May, Hook in March to name two. Plenty of others if you care to look on DE site alone. Neither in Southampton but that's irrelevant to the point being made.[/p][/quote]I suggest that you read your own post ........ Why will Southampton council be unpopular ......... It has nothing to do with what your post says[/p][/quote]Obviously because, apparently, SCC want to build a house a day and Labour want a mass building programme. Just look elsewhere in Echo archives and wherever development is proposed there is residents' anger. The two directly correlate. Quentin Heslop
  • Score: 0

10:35am Tue 3 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Dai Rear wrote:
".......which is the critical shortage of affordable housing. "
So right Ms Davies, as any estate agent will tell you, as they hand over the agency keys to Oxfam or Save the Children and plead with the leasing company to cancel their contracts on the three and a half litre Beemer. No one can afford them. Millions of houses stand empty for the want of a buyer. If you mean "subsidised housing " (i.e. your friendly Labour councillor will tell you can't rent it cos his mate wants it) then just try to get the word out. Can't be that hard. Bet you went to coll.
Can you enlighten us as to where these 'millions' of empty houses are? Let's have some specifics, which can actually be checked out. Dealing with concrete evidence isn't your forte, of course, but give it your best shot Dai.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: ".......which is the critical shortage of affordable housing. " So right Ms Davies, as any estate agent will tell you, as they hand over the agency keys to Oxfam or Save the Children and plead with the leasing company to cancel their contracts on the three and a half litre Beemer. No one can afford them. Millions of houses stand empty for the want of a buyer. If you mean "subsidised housing " (i.e. your friendly Labour councillor will tell you can't rent it cos his mate wants it) then just try to get the word out. Can't be that hard. Bet you went to coll.[/p][/quote]Can you enlighten us as to where these 'millions' of empty houses are? Let's have some specifics, which can actually be checked out. Dealing with concrete evidence isn't your forte, of course, but give it your best shot Dai. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 6

11:37am Tue 3 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
".......which is the critical shortage of affordable housing. "
So right Ms Davies, as any estate agent will tell you, as they hand over the agency keys to Oxfam or Save the Children and plead with the leasing company to cancel their contracts on the three and a half litre Beemer. No one can afford them. Millions of houses stand empty for the want of a buyer. If you mean "subsidised housing " (i.e. your friendly Labour councillor will tell you can't rent it cos his mate wants it) then just try to get the word out. Can't be that hard. Bet you went to coll.
Can you enlighten us as to where these 'millions' of empty houses are? Let's have some specifics, which can actually be checked out. Dealing with concrete evidence isn't your forte, of course, but give it your best shot Dai.
And irony clearly isn't yours. To simplify it for you, houses are "affordable". Estate agents remain open and sell them freely. Geddit?
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: ".......which is the critical shortage of affordable housing. " So right Ms Davies, as any estate agent will tell you, as they hand over the agency keys to Oxfam or Save the Children and plead with the leasing company to cancel their contracts on the three and a half litre Beemer. No one can afford them. Millions of houses stand empty for the want of a buyer. If you mean "subsidised housing " (i.e. your friendly Labour councillor will tell you can't rent it cos his mate wants it) then just try to get the word out. Can't be that hard. Bet you went to coll.[/p][/quote]Can you enlighten us as to where these 'millions' of empty houses are? Let's have some specifics, which can actually be checked out. Dealing with concrete evidence isn't your forte, of course, but give it your best shot Dai.[/p][/quote]And irony clearly isn't yours. To simplify it for you, houses are "affordable". Estate agents remain open and sell them freely. Geddit? Dai Rear
  • Score: -3

12:07pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Torchie1 says...

Dai Rear wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
".......which is the critical shortage of affordable housing. "
So right Ms Davies, as any estate agent will tell you, as they hand over the agency keys to Oxfam or Save the Children and plead with the leasing company to cancel their contracts on the three and a half litre Beemer. No one can afford them. Millions of houses stand empty for the want of a buyer. If you mean "subsidised housing " (i.e. your friendly Labour councillor will tell you can't rent it cos his mate wants it) then just try to get the word out. Can't be that hard. Bet you went to coll.
Can you enlighten us as to where these 'millions' of empty houses are? Let's have some specifics, which can actually be checked out. Dealing with concrete evidence isn't your forte, of course, but give it your best shot Dai.
And irony clearly isn't yours. To simplify it for you, houses are "affordable". Estate agents remain open and sell them freely. Geddit?
"Millions of houses stand empty for the want of a buyer". Irony or not this statement is factually incorrect on quite a large scale.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: ".......which is the critical shortage of affordable housing. " So right Ms Davies, as any estate agent will tell you, as they hand over the agency keys to Oxfam or Save the Children and plead with the leasing company to cancel their contracts on the three and a half litre Beemer. No one can afford them. Millions of houses stand empty for the want of a buyer. If you mean "subsidised housing " (i.e. your friendly Labour councillor will tell you can't rent it cos his mate wants it) then just try to get the word out. Can't be that hard. Bet you went to coll.[/p][/quote]Can you enlighten us as to where these 'millions' of empty houses are? Let's have some specifics, which can actually be checked out. Dealing with concrete evidence isn't your forte, of course, but give it your best shot Dai.[/p][/quote]And irony clearly isn't yours. To simplify it for you, houses are "affordable". Estate agents remain open and sell them freely. Geddit?[/p][/quote]"Millions of houses stand empty for the want of a buyer". Irony or not this statement is factually incorrect on quite a large scale. Torchie1
  • Score: 3

12:23pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

Yes Torchie, irony. Much as in the following statement, which is equally incapable of verification:- "Edward Miliband is quite one of the wisest men de nos jours"
Yes Torchie, irony. Much as in the following statement, which is equally incapable of verification:- "Edward Miliband is quite one of the wisest men de nos jours" Dai Rear
  • Score: -4

5:36pm Tue 3 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Dai Rear wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
".......which is the critical shortage of affordable housing. "
So right Ms Davies, as any estate agent will tell you, as they hand over the agency keys to Oxfam or Save the Children and plead with the leasing company to cancel their contracts on the three and a half litre Beemer. No one can afford them. Millions of houses stand empty for the want of a buyer. If you mean "subsidised housing " (i.e. your friendly Labour councillor will tell you can't rent it cos his mate wants it) then just try to get the word out. Can't be that hard. Bet you went to coll.
Can you enlighten us as to where these 'millions' of empty houses are? Let's have some specifics, which can actually be checked out. Dealing with concrete evidence isn't your forte, of course, but give it your best shot Dai.
And irony clearly isn't yours. To simplify it for you, houses are "affordable". Estate agents remain open and sell them freely. Geddit?
I'm not trying to be ironic Dai, just factual. Evidence isn't your forte - a simple fact. 'Millions of houses stand empty' - your words. Where is your evidence for that statement?
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: ".......which is the critical shortage of affordable housing. " So right Ms Davies, as any estate agent will tell you, as they hand over the agency keys to Oxfam or Save the Children and plead with the leasing company to cancel their contracts on the three and a half litre Beemer. No one can afford them. Millions of houses stand empty for the want of a buyer. If you mean "subsidised housing " (i.e. your friendly Labour councillor will tell you can't rent it cos his mate wants it) then just try to get the word out. Can't be that hard. Bet you went to coll.[/p][/quote]Can you enlighten us as to where these 'millions' of empty houses are? Let's have some specifics, which can actually be checked out. Dealing with concrete evidence isn't your forte, of course, but give it your best shot Dai.[/p][/quote]And irony clearly isn't yours. To simplify it for you, houses are "affordable". Estate agents remain open and sell them freely. Geddit?[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to be ironic Dai, just factual. Evidence isn't your forte - a simple fact. 'Millions of houses stand empty' - your words. Where is your evidence for that statement? WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 3

5:41pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

Someone else try and explain irony to him. He's worn me out. Is he always like this?
Someone else try and explain irony to him. He's worn me out. Is he always like this? Dai Rear
  • Score: -4

6:08pm Tue 3 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Someone else try and explain irony to him. He's worn me out. Is he always like this?
There's irony, Dai, and then there's the kind of convoluted prose which you regularly come out with which should in fact be filed under 'sarcasm' - I suggest you research the difference between them.

And what's made you decide I'm male?
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Someone else try and explain irony to him. He's worn me out. Is he always like this?[/p][/quote]There's irony, Dai, and then there's the kind of convoluted prose which you regularly come out with which should in fact be filed under 'sarcasm' - I suggest you research the difference between them. And what's made you decide I'm male? WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 3

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