Highfield House Hotel could be transformed into a 144-bed student complex and a cinema

Highfield House Hotel could be turned into student housing and a cinema

Highfield House Hotel could be turned into student housing and a cinema

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ONE of Southampton’s best-known hotels could be shut down and turned into posh student digs and a cinema.

Plans to convert the Highfield House Hotel into a student complex featuring 144 beds, a gym and a cinema will go on display for the first time tomorrow at a public exhibition so local residents can have their say.

But people living near to the hotel in Highfield Lane say they are concerned, arguing that more student accommodation isn’t needed in the area.

There has been a hotel on the site since 1945. It has previously traded as the Cotswold Hotel, the Moat House Hotel, the County Hotel and finally Highfield House Hotel over the decades.

Before that, the site had been the home of well-known city music shop owner Henry Price Hodges, who had lived there until he died on the Titanic in 1912.

Now Galliard Homes, which has owned the land in Highfield Lane since 2006, has announced plans to refurbish the existing building and add an extension.

The building would then contain about 144 self-contained student rooms, each with a kitchenette and en-suite shower room.

The existing bar and restaurant alongside the hotel, Ceno, would be retained while a new internal courtyard area, gym and cinema would also be built.

Galliard Homes says the 17 full-time staff currently working at the hotel would be kept on to help run the student development, while discussions are ongoing with part-time staff.

A planning application could be handed in this autumn, and if that is approved construction work could start next spring.

Galliard Homes’ planning manager Peter Hadjidakis, said: “We are keen to hear the view of local residents, businesses and other interested parties and would encourage anyone who has a question or is interested in the proposals to come along and discuss the plans with us.”

But some residents living nearby have reacted angrily to the proposals.

Lisa Allen who lives in Shaftesbury Avenue, described it as a “really bad idea” adding that there is “a lot of student accommodation” in the area already.

Another resident who did not want to be named who lives near to the hotel, said: “It is a complete and utter nightmare, because if there are students there is usually a lot of noise.”

And Jerry Gillen, vice-chairman of Highfield Residents Association, said: “My main thought is that it would be a shame to lose such a good facility for accommodation and I understand that the hotel is trading profitably at this time.

“I have to say it has taken us by surprise.”

Daily Echo:

Cllr Paul O'Neill

Conservative ward city councillor Paul O’Neill, said: “I think it will be very understandable for local residents to be concerned at this proposal.

“The full details will need to be considered to see what impact they would have on the area, however my initial reaction is do we really need more student accommodation here?”

  • The exhibition will take place at the Highfield Church Centre from 2.30 to 7.30pm on Thursday. Galliard Homes’ consultation on the proposals will run until August 8, and residents can give their views by calling Freephone 0800 1123540.

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5:21am Wed 30 Jul 14

Block41row0sfc says...

I must say one thing southampton has not got enough of, student accomodation.
I must say one thing southampton has not got enough of, student accomodation. Block41row0sfc
  • Score: 12

6:55am Wed 30 Jul 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

students and lots of noise , makes sense ,nothing else going on.
students and lots of noise , makes sense ,nothing else going on. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: 3

7:02am Wed 30 Jul 14

thesouth says...

Is this for real? Surely the council won't allow this??? This is one of the few nice places left to live on soton. And as if cenos will stay being a nice bar!! It will be over run with drunk students every night. Highfield is quite an affluent area, surely this will destroy house prices there
Is this for real? Surely the council won't allow this??? This is one of the few nice places left to live on soton. And as if cenos will stay being a nice bar!! It will be over run with drunk students every night. Highfield is quite an affluent area, surely this will destroy house prices there thesouth
  • Score: 8

7:14am Wed 30 Jul 14

elvisimo says...

thesouth wrote:
Is this for real? Surely the council won't allow this??? This is one of the few nice places left to live on soton. And as if cenos will stay being a nice bar!! It will be over run with drunk students every night. Highfield is quite an affluent area, surely this will destroy house prices there
Failing hotel . What would you suggest? How about an asylum hostel....
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: Is this for real? Surely the council won't allow this??? This is one of the few nice places left to live on soton. And as if cenos will stay being a nice bar!! It will be over run with drunk students every night. Highfield is quite an affluent area, surely this will destroy house prices there[/p][/quote]Failing hotel . What would you suggest? How about an asylum hostel.... elvisimo
  • Score: 12

7:23am Wed 30 Jul 14

skeptik says...

Lots of eggs in the one basket.
Lots of eggs in the one basket. skeptik
  • Score: 5

10:33am Wed 30 Jul 14

southy says...

Good idea to turn this ex-hotel into a students accomadation, close to the Uni
Good idea to turn this ex-hotel into a students accomadation, close to the Uni southy
  • Score: -1

10:38am Wed 30 Jul 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

thesouth wrote:
Is this for real? Surely the council won't allow this??? This is one of the few nice places left to live on soton. And as if cenos will stay being a nice bar!! It will be over run with drunk students every night. Highfield is quite an affluent area, surely this will destroy house prices there
more effluent than affluent ,bring it on.
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: Is this for real? Surely the council won't allow this??? This is one of the few nice places left to live on soton. And as if cenos will stay being a nice bar!! It will be over run with drunk students every night. Highfield is quite an affluent area, surely this will destroy house prices there[/p][/quote]more effluent than affluent ,bring it on. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: -3

10:44am Wed 30 Jul 14

camerajuan says...

Something isn't making money, get rid & build something that will.

What's to be angry or confused about? Business men doing good business deals. It's all about the money!
Something isn't making money, get rid & build something that will. What's to be angry or confused about? Business men doing good business deals. It's all about the money! camerajuan
  • Score: -4

11:24am Wed 30 Jul 14

ToastyTea says...

Southampton's best known hotels ? yet I've never heard of it.
Southampton's best known hotels ? yet I've never heard of it. ToastyTea
  • Score: -2

11:42am Wed 30 Jul 14

For pity sake says...

Block41row0sfc wrote:
I must say one thing southampton has not got enough of, student accomodation.
I must say one thing your post has not got enough of: ms
'Accommodation' needs two.
[quote][p][bold]Block41row0sfc[/bold] wrote: I must say one thing southampton has not got enough of, student accomodation.[/p][/quote]I must say one thing your post has not got enough of: ms 'Accommodation' needs two. For pity sake
  • Score: -9

12:31pm Wed 30 Jul 14

03alpe01 says...

Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker.

Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place. 03alpe01
  • Score: 2

12:56pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Harrysdog says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker.

Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.[/p][/quote]What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was" Harrysdog
  • Score: 6

1:02pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ladysaint says...

Great idea. I work along with the universities in Southampton and I think stereo typing student as making noise is very wrong. We now have a lot of very intelligent studious international as well as uk young adults choosing southampton as their university They bring their talent and money to the city. Particularly the international students. Most of them would be happy to pay good money for high quality accommodation and spend their money in southampton shops and facilities. With out our students a lot of businesses Income would drop. I value their presence in our city and I think we should welcome them with open arms. Or else Liverpool will try to get them as well !!!!
Great idea. I work along with the universities in Southampton and I think stereo typing student as making noise is very wrong. We now have a lot of very intelligent studious international as well as uk young adults choosing southampton as their university They bring their talent and money to the city. Particularly the international students. Most of them would be happy to pay good money for high quality accommodation and spend their money in southampton shops and facilities. With out our students a lot of businesses Income would drop. I value their presence in our city and I think we should welcome them with open arms. Or else Liverpool will try to get them as well !!!! ladysaint
  • Score: 4

1:24pm Wed 30 Jul 14

southy says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker.

Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
Its on there doorstep, its ok for other areas, but when its there area its a different matter.
All Uni's should have enough accommodation to cater for every student and it needs to be very close to the Uni.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.[/p][/quote]Its on there doorstep, its ok for other areas, but when its there area its a different matter. All Uni's should have enough accommodation to cater for every student and it needs to be very close to the Uni. southy
  • Score: 4

1:35pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Crossley Place Saint says...

Much preferable to landlords buying up 3-bedroom family homes in the city and renting them out as 5 or 6 bedroom student lets with partitioned rooms.
Much preferable to landlords buying up 3-bedroom family homes in the city and renting them out as 5 or 6 bedroom student lets with partitioned rooms. Crossley Place Saint
  • Score: 11

2:08pm Wed 30 Jul 14

lyndelou says...

camerajuan wrote:
Something isn't making money, get rid & build something that will.

What's to be angry or confused about? Business men doing good business deals. It's all about the money!
How do you know it's not making money absolute rubbish ,get your fact right this is a very busy hotel and by the way making aprofit
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: Something isn't making money, get rid & build something that will. What's to be angry or confused about? Business men doing good business deals. It's all about the money![/p][/quote]How do you know it's not making money absolute rubbish ,get your fact right this is a very busy hotel and by the way making aprofit lyndelou
  • Score: -2

2:16pm Wed 30 Jul 14

centralgirl says...

lyndelou wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
Something isn't making money, get rid & build something that will.

What's to be angry or confused about? Business men doing good business deals. It's all about the money!
How do you know it's not making money absolute rubbish ,get your fact right this is a very busy hotel and by the way making aprofit
It quite clearly states in the article that is a profitable hotel, also note that this has not received planning permission, and I assume local residents will be against this and given the amount of student accommodation already in Southampton I cannot see that this would be a viable business move.
[quote][p][bold]lyndelou[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: Something isn't making money, get rid & build something that will. What's to be angry or confused about? Business men doing good business deals. It's all about the money![/p][/quote]How do you know it's not making money absolute rubbish ,get your fact right this is a very busy hotel and by the way making aprofit[/p][/quote]It quite clearly states in the article that is a profitable hotel, also note that this has not received planning permission, and I assume local residents will be against this and given the amount of student accommodation already in Southampton I cannot see that this would be a viable business move. centralgirl
  • Score: 3

2:16pm Wed 30 Jul 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

southy wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker.

Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
Its on there doorstep, its ok for other areas, but when its there area its a different matter.
All Uni's should have enough accommodation to cater for every student and it needs to be very close to the Uni.
Brilliant!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.[/p][/quote]Its on there doorstep, its ok for other areas, but when its there area its a different matter. All Uni's should have enough accommodation to cater for every student and it needs to be very close to the Uni.[/p][/quote]Brilliant! 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: 10

2:41pm Wed 30 Jul 14

lyndelou says...

For anyone that doesn't know this hotel is very busy and is making a profit , it is an I dependant hotel and has people from all over the world stay here , many of the graduats parents stay here as it is right near the university many professors and lecturers stay at the hotel for its convenience , the university itself use the hotel for conferences along with the local schools staff and headteachers, there are many return guests who like the size and friendliness of the hotel and the hotel itself has employed many students
The staff themselves are local and a small team working hard to ensure the hotel is popular with guests , many of the guests use ceno's next door which I cannot see being frequented by the students themselves were this to go ahead as they are certainly not student friendly prices in ceno's ,I can see this ending up as a student bar . The flats next door to the hotel owned by the council are retirement flats , students on their doorstep will not go down well and any hope of a peaceful retirement are doubtful , when the students go home so does the money ,whereas the hotel has guests all year round that use the local shops ,buses ,taxis and spend money all the time , yes lots of locals don't realise the hotel is here as do you use it when it's on your doorstep ? But it's here making money and supplying local suppliers with business for the food , toiletries ,I and laundry supplies that it needs , sometimes you just do not know what's on your doorsteps , it might seem a good idea to you but it involves a lot of people directly involved with the hotel itself, the guide dogs train here with their new owners you can regularly see the new dogs being trained around ports wood if you look , there is plenty of new accommodation for students being built but just remember they go home , closing the hotel will affect many people ,it might not be you but comments are useful if you know the facts
For anyone that doesn't know this hotel is very busy and is making a profit , it is an I dependant hotel and has people from all over the world stay here , many of the graduats parents stay here as it is right near the university many professors and lecturers stay at the hotel for its convenience , the university itself use the hotel for conferences along with the local schools staff and headteachers, there are many return guests who like the size and friendliness of the hotel and the hotel itself has employed many students The staff themselves are local and a small team working hard to ensure the hotel is popular with guests , many of the guests use ceno's next door which I cannot see being frequented by the students themselves were this to go ahead as they are certainly not student friendly prices in ceno's ,I can see this ending up as a student bar . The flats next door to the hotel owned by the council are retirement flats , students on their doorstep will not go down well and any hope of a peaceful retirement are doubtful , when the students go home so does the money ,whereas the hotel has guests all year round that use the local shops ,buses ,taxis and spend money all the time , yes lots of locals don't realise the hotel is here as do you use it when it's on your doorstep ? But it's here making money and supplying local suppliers with business for the food , toiletries ,I and laundry supplies that it needs , sometimes you just do not know what's on your doorsteps , it might seem a good idea to you but it involves a lot of people directly involved with the hotel itself, the guide dogs train here with their new owners you can regularly see the new dogs being trained around ports wood if you look , there is plenty of new accommodation for students being built but just remember they go home , closing the hotel will affect many people ,it might not be you but comments are useful if you know the facts lyndelou
  • Score: 13

2:52pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Shirley_Girl says...

Harrysdog wrote:
03alpe01 wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"
As someone who moved here as a student (for the record- I didn't leave at the end of my 3 year course, and know quite a few others who also stayed...), I can say that I did not think Southampton was a dump. However, some of the accommodation we lived in during that time was shocking!

More student accommodation would not be springing up unless there was demand for it. In my opinion this may kick some of the other landlords out there into gear! Those who own hundreds of grotty, damp, mouldy old houses, cramming in as many students as they can, and doing the bare minimum of maintenance (whilst raking it in), may just be forced to improve standards- if they want anyone to continue renting from them...
[quote][p][bold]Harrysdog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.[/p][/quote]What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"[/p][/quote]As someone who moved here as a student (for the record- I didn't leave at the end of my 3 year course, and know quite a few others who also stayed...), I can say that I did not think Southampton was a dump. However, some of the accommodation we lived in during that time was shocking! More student accommodation would not be springing up unless there was demand for it. In my opinion this may kick some of the other landlords out there into gear! Those who own hundreds of grotty, damp, mouldy old houses, cramming in as many students as they can, and doing the bare minimum of maintenance (whilst raking it in), may just be forced to improve standards- if they want anyone to continue renting from them... Shirley_Girl
  • Score: 7

3:17pm Wed 30 Jul 14

camerajuan says...

centralgirl wrote:
lyndelou wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
Something isn't making money, get rid & build something that will.

What's to be angry or confused about? Business men doing good business deals. It's all about the money!
How do you know it's not making money absolute rubbish ,get your fact right this is a very busy hotel and by the way making aprofit
It quite clearly states in the article that is a profitable hotel, also note that this has not received planning permission, and I assume local residents will be against this and given the amount of student accommodation already in Southampton I cannot see that this would be a viable business move.
Well, it wouldn't even be a thought if the hotel was raking it in.

Clearly student accommodation will be a more viable option for this site. There wouldn't be a story if it wasn't.
[quote][p][bold]centralgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lyndelou[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: Something isn't making money, get rid & build something that will. What's to be angry or confused about? Business men doing good business deals. It's all about the money![/p][/quote]How do you know it's not making money absolute rubbish ,get your fact right this is a very busy hotel and by the way making aprofit[/p][/quote]It quite clearly states in the article that is a profitable hotel, also note that this has not received planning permission, and I assume local residents will be against this and given the amount of student accommodation already in Southampton I cannot see that this would be a viable business move.[/p][/quote]Well, it wouldn't even be a thought if the hotel was raking it in. Clearly student accommodation will be a more viable option for this site. There wouldn't be a story if it wasn't. camerajuan
  • Score: -1

4:19pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

Please an we have another cinema at Soton Central train station, and how about one in Ikea as well, and maybe one outside the football ground.
Please an we have another cinema at Soton Central train station, and how about one in Ikea as well, and maybe one outside the football ground. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 3

5:17pm Wed 30 Jul 14

03alpe01 says...

Harrysdog wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker.

Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"
I agree in principle. More does need to be done to promote the City for those that live there permanently and not just those who tend to stay here for 3-4 years. However, it is clear that a student flats development will make more money than the hotel currently does, even if the hotel is running at a profit- the flats will make more. If that was not the case then nobody would even be considering this.
Another interesting point is about the retirement flats opposite. Will be interesting to see what happens there. This is right on the cusp between the more affluent posh area of Highfield and the heavily student populated Portswood. Residents will no doubt have their say, but this will no doubt get the go ahead.
[quote][p][bold]Harrysdog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.[/p][/quote]What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"[/p][/quote]I agree in principle. More does need to be done to promote the City for those that live there permanently and not just those who tend to stay here for 3-4 years. However, it is clear that a student flats development will make more money than the hotel currently does, even if the hotel is running at a profit- the flats will make more. If that was not the case then nobody would even be considering this. Another interesting point is about the retirement flats opposite. Will be interesting to see what happens there. This is right on the cusp between the more affluent posh area of Highfield and the heavily student populated Portswood. Residents will no doubt have their say, but this will no doubt get the go ahead. 03alpe01
  • Score: 0

5:37pm Wed 30 Jul 14

centralgirl says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Harrysdog wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker.

Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"
I agree in principle. More does need to be done to promote the City for those that live there permanently and not just those who tend to stay here for 3-4 years. However, it is clear that a student flats development will make more money than the hotel currently does, even if the hotel is running at a profit- the flats will make more. If that was not the case then nobody would even be considering this.
Another interesting point is about the retirement flats opposite. Will be interesting to see what happens there. This is right on the cusp between the more affluent posh area of Highfield and the heavily student populated Portswood. Residents will no doubt have their say, but this will no doubt get the go ahead.
I think the retirement flats next door will play huge part in whether this gets the go ahead considering they share an access road
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrysdog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.[/p][/quote]What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"[/p][/quote]I agree in principle. More does need to be done to promote the City for those that live there permanently and not just those who tend to stay here for 3-4 years. However, it is clear that a student flats development will make more money than the hotel currently does, even if the hotel is running at a profit- the flats will make more. If that was not the case then nobody would even be considering this. Another interesting point is about the retirement flats opposite. Will be interesting to see what happens there. This is right on the cusp between the more affluent posh area of Highfield and the heavily student populated Portswood. Residents will no doubt have their say, but this will no doubt get the go ahead.[/p][/quote]I think the retirement flats next door will play huge part in whether this gets the go ahead considering they share an access road centralgirl
  • Score: 4

5:47pm Wed 30 Jul 14

thesouth says...

elvisimo wrote:
thesouth wrote:
Is this for real? Surely the council won't allow this??? This is one of the few nice places left to live on soton. And as if cenos will stay being a nice bar!! It will be over run with drunk students every night. Highfield is quite an affluent area, surely this will destroy house prices there
Failing hotel . What would you suggest? How about an asylum hostel....
Why the need for OTT response ? May be it could be taken over by another company, private housing, the list goes on. Student blocks are trouble, ugly and let areas down
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: Is this for real? Surely the council won't allow this??? This is one of the few nice places left to live on soton. And as if cenos will stay being a nice bar!! It will be over run with drunk students every night. Highfield is quite an affluent area, surely this will destroy house prices there[/p][/quote]Failing hotel . What would you suggest? How about an asylum hostel....[/p][/quote]Why the need for OTT response ? May be it could be taken over by another company, private housing, the list goes on. Student blocks are trouble, ugly and let areas down thesouth
  • Score: 4

5:53pm Wed 30 Jul 14

thesouth says...

The pro comments clearly don't come from local residents. There are houses worth close to £1m that will look onto this new site. Don't think they will be worth half that if this goes ahead. It's a shame decent smiles are being pushed away in exchange for students.
The pro comments clearly don't come from local residents. There are houses worth close to £1m that will look onto this new site. Don't think they will be worth half that if this goes ahead. It's a shame decent smiles are being pushed away in exchange for students. thesouth
  • Score: 1

5:54pm Wed 30 Jul 14

thesouth says...

I meant fAMILIES not smiles (auto correct somehow did that!)
I meant fAMILIES not smiles (auto correct somehow did that!) thesouth
  • Score: 3

6:00pm Wed 30 Jul 14

lyndelou says...

Just for the record no staff have been consulted on the keeping of their jobs as stated in this article all they have been told is that plans are going in for student accommodation and that was last week ,the rest we have read in the echo tonight , part time staff are not being consulted , Galliards you should be ashamed
Just for the record no staff have been consulted on the keeping of their jobs as stated in this article all they have been told is that plans are going in for student accommodation and that was last week ,the rest we have read in the echo tonight , part time staff are not being consulted , Galliards you should be ashamed lyndelou
  • Score: 5

6:44pm Wed 30 Jul 14

elvisimo says...

Harrysdog wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker.

Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"
Paid for with what? Magic beans? At a guess student spend is one of the largest components of southamptons economy?
[quote][p][bold]Harrysdog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.[/p][/quote]What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"[/p][/quote]Paid for with what? Magic beans? At a guess student spend is one of the largest components of southamptons economy? elvisimo
  • Score: 0

7:23pm Wed 30 Jul 14

mickey01 says...

ladysaint wrote:
Great idea. I work along with the universities in Southampton and I think stereo typing student as making noise is very wrong. We now have a lot of very intelligent studious international as well as uk young adults choosing southampton as their university They bring their talent and money to the city. Particularly the international students. Most of them would be happy to pay good money for high quality accommodation and spend their money in southampton shops and facilities. With out our students a lot of businesses Income would drop. I value their presence in our city and I think we should welcome them with open arms. Or else Liverpool will try to get them as well !!!!
Try living in the polygon area lady then you will know what the noise and s**t my parents have to walk through day after day
[quote][p][bold]ladysaint[/bold] wrote: Great idea. I work along with the universities in Southampton and I think stereo typing student as making noise is very wrong. We now have a lot of very intelligent studious international as well as uk young adults choosing southampton as their university They bring their talent and money to the city. Particularly the international students. Most of them would be happy to pay good money for high quality accommodation and spend their money in southampton shops and facilities. With out our students a lot of businesses Income would drop. I value their presence in our city and I think we should welcome them with open arms. Or else Liverpool will try to get them as well !!!![/p][/quote]Try living in the polygon area lady then you will know what the noise and s**t my parents have to walk through day after day mickey01
  • Score: 8

7:37pm Wed 30 Jul 14

siggyrettes says...

what we actually need in this city is a mass of purpose built student accommodation, that way perhaps some of the private houses that have been converted in to multiple occupancy dwellings for students, that stand empty during holidays, could be reconverted and let out as much needed family homes
what we actually need in this city is a mass of purpose built student accommodation, that way perhaps some of the private houses that have been converted in to multiple occupancy dwellings for students, that stand empty during holidays, could be reconverted and let out as much needed family homes siggyrettes
  • Score: 2

7:42pm Wed 30 Jul 14

mr.southampton says...

Another development which will inch Portswood away from 'vibrant mixed neighbourhood' towards 'student ghetto'
Another development which will inch Portswood away from 'vibrant mixed neighbourhood' towards 'student ghetto' mr.southampton
  • Score: 6

8:02pm Wed 30 Jul 14

rjfmusic says...

thesouth wrote:
Is this for real? Surely the council won't allow this??? This is one of the few nice places left to live on soton. And as if cenos will stay being a nice bar!! It will be over run with drunk students every night. Highfield is quite an affluent area, surely this will destroy house prices there
Why don't you buy it and do something useful with it?
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: Is this for real? Surely the council won't allow this??? This is one of the few nice places left to live on soton. And as if cenos will stay being a nice bar!! It will be over run with drunk students every night. Highfield is quite an affluent area, surely this will destroy house prices there[/p][/quote]Why don't you buy it and do something useful with it? rjfmusic
  • Score: 2

8:10pm Wed 30 Jul 14

03alpe01 says...

Also, what is to happen on infrastructure? That junction outside has been a nightmare ever since Sainsburys opened, and wasn't there meant to be a mass influx of flats then?

Houses in Russell Place are currently valued at around £600,000. What will happen to the house prices if a bunch of students are living across the road? Cenos will be ruined and people will be put off there.

More purpose built student accommodation can only help solve the housing crisis as it will free up homes for families.
Also, what is to happen on infrastructure? That junction outside has been a nightmare ever since Sainsburys opened, and wasn't there meant to be a mass influx of flats then? Houses in Russell Place are currently valued at around £600,000. What will happen to the house prices if a bunch of students are living across the road? Cenos will be ruined and people will be put off there. More purpose built student accommodation can only help solve the housing crisis as it will free up homes for families. 03alpe01
  • Score: 2

9:03pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Stubs says...

This will get all the noisy teens hanging around outside smoking fags and eating kebabs. Can't they put a bowling in their too.
This will get all the noisy teens hanging around outside smoking fags and eating kebabs. Can't they put a bowling in their too. Stubs
  • Score: -1

10:24pm Wed 30 Jul 14

#True1 says...

There is no need for these student flats whatsoever! The council has recently imposed hmo conditions on Landlords, many of which have cooperated and improved their properties at great costs.There is no shortage of student accommodation in the city.
Highfield is an pleasant area with many owner occupied houses with families. It doesn't need anymore student accommodation, it's about getting the balance right and this development would be a step too far. House prices in the Highfield area are great so why not consider some affordable housing. On that note where is the affordable housing that was promised to the rear of the sainsbury site. If the hotel is making profit why is there a need to change its use. The ceno bar is a popular place with everyone, this dynamic will surely change with this development. The implications of this development would have an adverse effect on the area. The council must pay serious attention and consideration to this proposal and it's impact on the area. They must listen to the local residents and representatives of the Highfield residents association the voice that local oppinion.
This is without doubt a bad development proposition!
There is no need for these student flats whatsoever! The council has recently imposed hmo conditions on Landlords, many of which have cooperated and improved their properties at great costs.There is no shortage of student accommodation in the city. Highfield is an pleasant area with many owner occupied houses with families. It doesn't need anymore student accommodation, it's about getting the balance right and this development would be a step too far. House prices in the Highfield area are great so why not consider some affordable housing. On that note where is the affordable housing that was promised to the rear of the sainsbury site. If the hotel is making profit why is there a need to change its use. The ceno bar is a popular place with everyone, this dynamic will surely change with this development. The implications of this development would have an adverse effect on the area. The council must pay serious attention and consideration to this proposal and it's impact on the area. They must listen to the local residents and representatives of the Highfield residents association the voice that local oppinion. This is without doubt a bad development proposition! #True1
  • Score: 8

10:46pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Niel says...

Shirley_Girl wrote:
Harrysdog wrote:
03alpe01 wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"
As someone who moved here as a student (for the record- I didn't leave at the end of my 3 year course, and know quite a few others who also stayed...), I can say that I did not think Southampton was a dump. However, some of the accommodation we lived in during that time was shocking!

More student accommodation would not be springing up unless there was demand for it. In my opinion this may kick some of the other landlords out there into gear! Those who own hundreds of grotty, damp, mouldy old houses, cramming in as many students as they can, and doing the bare minimum of maintenance (whilst raking it in), may just be forced to improve standards- if they want anyone to continue renting from them...
Those who own hundreds of grotty, damp, mouldy old houses, cramming in as many students as they can, and doing the bare minimum of maintenance (whilst raking it in), may just be forced to improve standards- if they want anyone to continue renting from them... SAHOTA by any chance?
[quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrysdog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.[/p][/quote]What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"[/p][/quote]As someone who moved here as a student (for the record- I didn't leave at the end of my 3 year course, and know quite a few others who also stayed...), I can say that I did not think Southampton was a dump. However, some of the accommodation we lived in during that time was shocking! More student accommodation would not be springing up unless there was demand for it. In my opinion this may kick some of the other landlords out there into gear! Those who own hundreds of grotty, damp, mouldy old houses, cramming in as many students as they can, and doing the bare minimum of maintenance (whilst raking it in), may just be forced to improve standards- if they want anyone to continue renting from them...[/p][/quote]Those who own hundreds of grotty, damp, mouldy old houses, cramming in as many students as they can, and doing the bare minimum of maintenance (whilst raking it in), may just be forced to improve standards- if they want anyone to continue renting from them... SAHOTA by any chance? Niel
  • Score: -2

9:17am Thu 31 Jul 14

BitterneP@rk says...

I'm amazed at all the University administrators on here who know there is no demand for student accommodation. I guess the Vice Chancellor must be on here too and this is his source of expert knowledge.

Also surprised that the accountants for the Highfield House Hotel are on here telling us what a profitable business it is.
I'm amazed at all the University administrators on here who know there is no demand for student accommodation. I guess the Vice Chancellor must be on here too and this is his source of expert knowledge. Also surprised that the accountants for the Highfield House Hotel are on here telling us what a profitable business it is. BitterneP@rk
  • Score: -2

10:21am Thu 31 Jul 14

#True1 says...

Are there not any Galliard Homes associates on here too!? Highfield is an affluent area with a real community and a very supportive residents association. The developers have underestimated the strength of the people and the community to protect their surroundings.
Are there not any Galliard Homes associates on here too!? Highfield is an affluent area with a real community and a very supportive residents association. The developers have underestimated the strength of the people and the community to protect their surroundings. #True1
  • Score: 7

10:21am Thu 31 Jul 14

camerajuan says...

Stubs wrote:
This will get all the noisy teens hanging around outside smoking fags and eating kebabs. Can't they put a bowling in their too.
Sweeping generalisation much?!
[quote][p][bold]Stubs[/bold] wrote: This will get all the noisy teens hanging around outside smoking fags and eating kebabs. Can't they put a bowling in their too.[/p][/quote]Sweeping generalisation much?! camerajuan
  • Score: 1

10:58am Thu 31 Jul 14

thesouth says...

Awful awful awful idea. Even if the council were to go totally crazy and allow this, I know it won't have conditions to be in keeping with the area, it will be a hideous sight like the new one in swaythling and the mayflower halls. How is driving wealthy families / residents OUT of the area and moving students IN going to be good for the area???? Time for me to emigrate I think.
Awful awful awful idea. Even if the council were to go totally crazy and allow this, I know it won't have conditions to be in keeping with the area, it will be a hideous sight like the new one in swaythling and the mayflower halls. How is driving wealthy families / residents OUT of the area and moving students IN going to be good for the area???? Time for me to emigrate I think. thesouth
  • Score: 4

11:01am Thu 31 Jul 14

thesouth says...

Shirley_Girl wrote:
Harrysdog wrote:
03alpe01 wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"
As someone who moved here as a student (for the record- I didn't leave at the end of my 3 year course, and know quite a few others who also stayed...), I can say that I did not think Southampton was a dump. However, some of the accommodation we lived in during that time was shocking!

More student accommodation would not be springing up unless there was demand for it. In my opinion this may kick some of the other landlords out there into gear! Those who own hundreds of grotty, damp, mouldy old houses, cramming in as many students as they can, and doing the bare minimum of maintenance (whilst raking it in), may just be forced to improve standards- if they want anyone to continue renting from them...
There is a lot of good accommodation, I know from personal experience. Maybe you didn't have very high standards when choosing your accommodation??
[quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrysdog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.[/p][/quote]What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"[/p][/quote]As someone who moved here as a student (for the record- I didn't leave at the end of my 3 year course, and know quite a few others who also stayed...), I can say that I did not think Southampton was a dump. However, some of the accommodation we lived in during that time was shocking! More student accommodation would not be springing up unless there was demand for it. In my opinion this may kick some of the other landlords out there into gear! Those who own hundreds of grotty, damp, mouldy old houses, cramming in as many students as they can, and doing the bare minimum of maintenance (whilst raking it in), may just be forced to improve standards- if they want anyone to continue renting from them...[/p][/quote]There is a lot of good accommodation, I know from personal experience. Maybe you didn't have very high standards when choosing your accommodation?? thesouth
  • Score: 2

11:27am Thu 31 Jul 14

camerajuan says...

thesouth wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote:
Harrysdog wrote:
03alpe01 wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"
As someone who moved here as a student (for the record- I didn't leave at the end of my 3 year course, and know quite a few others who also stayed...), I can say that I did not think Southampton was a dump. However, some of the accommodation we lived in during that time was shocking!

More student accommodation would not be springing up unless there was demand for it. In my opinion this may kick some of the other landlords out there into gear! Those who own hundreds of grotty, damp, mouldy old houses, cramming in as many students as they can, and doing the bare minimum of maintenance (whilst raking it in), may just be forced to improve standards- if they want anyone to continue renting from them...
There is a lot of good accommodation, I know from personal experience. Maybe you didn't have very high standards when choosing your accommodation??
Exactly.

I work in Student Lettings and none of the houses my company rent would be classed as a "dive" by anyone who moves into them. A few of them I would say are really nice houses. AND they're in the Polygon! Shock!

Look for cheap ratholes and you'll find them. Look for nice places then ask about price and you'll realise that nice places are out there.
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrysdog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.[/p][/quote]What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"[/p][/quote]As someone who moved here as a student (for the record- I didn't leave at the end of my 3 year course, and know quite a few others who also stayed...), I can say that I did not think Southampton was a dump. However, some of the accommodation we lived in during that time was shocking! More student accommodation would not be springing up unless there was demand for it. In my opinion this may kick some of the other landlords out there into gear! Those who own hundreds of grotty, damp, mouldy old houses, cramming in as many students as they can, and doing the bare minimum of maintenance (whilst raking it in), may just be forced to improve standards- if they want anyone to continue renting from them...[/p][/quote]There is a lot of good accommodation, I know from personal experience. Maybe you didn't have very high standards when choosing your accommodation??[/p][/quote]Exactly. I work in Student Lettings and none of the houses my company rent would be classed as a "dive" by anyone who moves into them. A few of them I would say are really nice houses. AND they're in the Polygon! Shock! Look for cheap ratholes and you'll find them. Look for nice places then ask about price and you'll realise that nice places are out there. camerajuan
  • Score: 2

4:42pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Tallship says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker.

Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
The hotel may unfortunately be failing. That is sad to hear. But turn it into student accomodation is the wrong thing to do. There is plenty accomodation for students. Haven't the just build a monstrosity in Swaythling.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.[/p][/quote]The hotel may unfortunately be failing. That is sad to hear. But turn it into student accomodation is the wrong thing to do. There is plenty accomodation for students. Haven't the just build a monstrosity in Swaythling. Tallship
  • Score: 3

6:01pm Thu 31 Jul 14

03alpe01 says...

Have just got back from the consultation on this. It was fairly well attended and was heavily criticised. The loss of local hotel space is a concern amongst residents. I do not believe this will aid anything. All it will do is add more students to the area. It would be fair enough if they took the students away from HMO's and into purpose built blocks. But they won't. Families are too scared to move to near the University because they do not want to live in a student infested area.
It goes like this- more students in the area = more students the University is able to take on = more money for the University = the more the University is able to brag about how great they are = the University expanding.
I'm sure Galliard Homes wouldn't bat an eyelid if the City was turned into one big student campus. Parking will be a major major issue as well.
Have just got back from the consultation on this. It was fairly well attended and was heavily criticised. The loss of local hotel space is a concern amongst residents. I do not believe this will aid anything. All it will do is add more students to the area. It would be fair enough if they took the students away from HMO's and into purpose built blocks. But they won't. Families are too scared to move to near the University because they do not want to live in a student infested area. It goes like this- more students in the area = more students the University is able to take on = more money for the University = the more the University is able to brag about how great they are = the University expanding. I'm sure Galliard Homes wouldn't bat an eyelid if the City was turned into one big student campus. Parking will be a major major issue as well. 03alpe01
  • Score: 3

7:37pm Thu 31 Jul 14

lyndelou says...

Having been to the consultation also the building will take up the whole space of the existing car park leaving none for the students who they assume will all have bikes ,catch the train or buses , I think you will find many students own cars so where will they park them ,the streets around the area? Also no parking for ceno's customers are they expected to catch the train as well for a night out ? This will certainly make a difference to them as they use the hotel car park which will be no more, again looking for parking in the surrounding streets which will be very busy
Many of the older people attending seemed to be in groups talking between themselves so hopefully they filled out the comment forms , it's no good not letting their feelings be heard then complain when it's been built .
If this were to go ahead i would not be suprised if in the future the existing retirement flats next door would eventually be bought from the council and also made into student accommodation ( just a thought )
Having been to the consultation also the building will take up the whole space of the existing car park leaving none for the students who they assume will all have bikes ,catch the train or buses , I think you will find many students own cars so where will they park them ,the streets around the area? Also no parking for ceno's customers are they expected to catch the train as well for a night out ? This will certainly make a difference to them as they use the hotel car park which will be no more, again looking for parking in the surrounding streets which will be very busy Many of the older people attending seemed to be in groups talking between themselves so hopefully they filled out the comment forms , it's no good not letting their feelings be heard then complain when it's been built . If this were to go ahead i would not be suprised if in the future the existing retirement flats next door would eventually be bought from the council and also made into student accommodation ( just a thought ) lyndelou
  • Score: 3

1:07pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Shirley_Girl says...

Niel wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote:
Harrysdog wrote:
03alpe01 wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"
As someone who moved here as a student (for the record- I didn't leave at the end of my 3 year course, and know quite a few others who also stayed...), I can say that I did not think Southampton was a dump. However, some of the accommodation we lived in during that time was shocking! More student accommodation would not be springing up unless there was demand for it. In my opinion this may kick some of the other landlords out there into gear! Those who own hundreds of grotty, damp, mouldy old houses, cramming in as many students as they can, and doing the bare minimum of maintenance (whilst raking it in), may just be forced to improve standards- if they want anyone to continue renting from them...
Those who own hundreds of grotty, damp, mouldy old houses, cramming in as many students as they can, and doing the bare minimum of maintenance (whilst raking it in), may just be forced to improve standards- if they want anyone to continue renting from them... SAHOTA by any chance?
Umm, SAHOTA? Sorry, please enlighten me?....
[quote][p][bold]Niel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrysdog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.[/p][/quote]What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"[/p][/quote]As someone who moved here as a student (for the record- I didn't leave at the end of my 3 year course, and know quite a few others who also stayed...), I can say that I did not think Southampton was a dump. However, some of the accommodation we lived in during that time was shocking! More student accommodation would not be springing up unless there was demand for it. In my opinion this may kick some of the other landlords out there into gear! Those who own hundreds of grotty, damp, mouldy old houses, cramming in as many students as they can, and doing the bare minimum of maintenance (whilst raking it in), may just be forced to improve standards- if they want anyone to continue renting from them...[/p][/quote]Those who own hundreds of grotty, damp, mouldy old houses, cramming in as many students as they can, and doing the bare minimum of maintenance (whilst raking it in), may just be forced to improve standards- if they want anyone to continue renting from them... SAHOTA by any chance?[/p][/quote]Umm, SAHOTA? Sorry, please enlighten me?.... Shirley_Girl
  • Score: 0

1:26pm Fri 1 Aug 14

From the sidelines says...

Harrysdog wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker.

Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"
"...Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus ..." Why would you consider this a bad thing?

Southampton University is a well-respected establishment, (Russell Group) and such places create an aura of learning and professionalism in an area, as they attract students, lecturers, researchers, businesses and investment.

People commenting here seem to think student life is like something from 'The Young Ones'.
[quote][p][bold]Harrysdog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.[/p][/quote]What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"[/p][/quote]"...Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus ..." Why would you consider this a bad thing? Southampton University is a well-respected establishment, (Russell Group) and such places create an aura of learning and professionalism in an area, as they attract students, lecturers, researchers, businesses and investment. People commenting here seem to think student life is like something from 'The Young Ones'. From the sidelines
  • Score: -1

2:15pm Fri 1 Aug 14

thesouth says...

From the sidelines wrote:
Harrysdog wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker.

Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"
"...Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus ..." Why would you consider this a bad thing?

Southampton University is a well-respected establishment, (Russell Group) and such places create an aura of learning and professionalism in an area, as they attract students, lecturers, researchers, businesses and investment.

People commenting here seem to think student life is like something from 'The Young Ones'.
Take it you don't get effected by your bin being turned over every week, loud drunken students waking you and your baby on their way home at every hour between 2200-0500 hours when you have to be up at 0600...the list goes on. When we moved here it wasn't flooded with students. Now it is, we are off, far far away and taking out local business with us. I'm sure we are not the only ones
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrysdog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.[/p][/quote]What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"[/p][/quote]"...Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus ..." Why would you consider this a bad thing? Southampton University is a well-respected establishment, (Russell Group) and such places create an aura of learning and professionalism in an area, as they attract students, lecturers, researchers, businesses and investment. People commenting here seem to think student life is like something from 'The Young Ones'.[/p][/quote]Take it you don't get effected by your bin being turned over every week, loud drunken students waking you and your baby on their way home at every hour between 2200-0500 hours when you have to be up at 0600...the list goes on. When we moved here it wasn't flooded with students. Now it is, we are off, far far away and taking out local business with us. I'm sure we are not the only ones thesouth
  • Score: 2

2:17pm Fri 1 Aug 14

thesouth says...

ladysaint wrote:
Great idea. I work along with the universities in Southampton and I think stereo typing student as making noise is very wrong. We now have a lot of very intelligent studious international as well as uk young adults choosing southampton as their university They bring their talent and money to the city. Particularly the international students. Most of them would be happy to pay good money for high quality accommodation and spend their money in southampton shops and facilities. With out our students a lot of businesses Income would drop. I value their presence in our city and I think we should welcome them with open arms. Or else Liverpool will try to get them as well !!!!
You may work with them but you don't LIVE with them. I'm sure they are quiet and sober during lectures, its after lectures the rest of us put up with them
[quote][p][bold]ladysaint[/bold] wrote: Great idea. I work along with the universities in Southampton and I think stereo typing student as making noise is very wrong. We now have a lot of very intelligent studious international as well as uk young adults choosing southampton as their university They bring their talent and money to the city. Particularly the international students. Most of them would be happy to pay good money for high quality accommodation and spend their money in southampton shops and facilities. With out our students a lot of businesses Income would drop. I value their presence in our city and I think we should welcome them with open arms. Or else Liverpool will try to get them as well !!!![/p][/quote]You may work with them but you don't LIVE with them. I'm sure they are quiet and sober during lectures, its after lectures the rest of us put up with them thesouth
  • Score: 2

3:14pm Fri 1 Aug 14

03alpe01 says...

From the sidelines wrote:
Harrysdog wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker.

Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"
"...Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus ..." Why would you consider this a bad thing?

Southampton University is a well-respected establishment, (Russell Group) and such places create an aura of learning and professionalism in an area, as they attract students, lecturers, researchers, businesses and investment.

People commenting here seem to think student life is like something from 'The Young Ones'.
I'm assuming that from your comment that you live absolutely nowhere near the University then.
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrysdog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.[/p][/quote]What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"[/p][/quote]"...Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus ..." Why would you consider this a bad thing? Southampton University is a well-respected establishment, (Russell Group) and such places create an aura of learning and professionalism in an area, as they attract students, lecturers, researchers, businesses and investment. People commenting here seem to think student life is like something from 'The Young Ones'.[/p][/quote]I'm assuming that from your comment that you live absolutely nowhere near the University then. 03alpe01
  • Score: 1

4:24pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Shirley_Girl says...

camerajuan wrote:
thesouth wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote:
Harrysdog wrote:
03alpe01 wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.
What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"
As someone who moved here as a student (for the record- I didn't leave at the end of my 3 year course, and know quite a few others who also stayed...), I can say that I did not think Southampton was a dump. However, some of the accommodation we lived in during that time was shocking! More student accommodation would not be springing up unless there was demand for it. In my opinion this may kick some of the other landlords out there into gear! Those who own hundreds of grotty, damp, mouldy old houses, cramming in as many students as they can, and doing the bare minimum of maintenance (whilst raking it in), may just be forced to improve standards- if they want anyone to continue renting from them...
There is a lot of good accommodation, I know from personal experience. Maybe you didn't have very high standards when choosing your accommodation??
Exactly. I work in Student Lettings and none of the houses my company rent would be classed as a "dive" by anyone who moves into them. A few of them I would say are really nice houses. AND they're in the Polygon! Shock! Look for cheap ratholes and you'll find them. Look for nice places then ask about price and you'll realise that nice places are out there.
I was not suggesting that some nicer accommodation doesn't exist. But I am sure the reality is that the number of rooms available in these places is far smaller than the number of students in the city? So, those who are on a tighter budget may still struggle!

Also, why would students at the Uni of Southampton want to live in the Polygon? This is great for Solent students, just up the road, but realistically the majority of students at the other Uni would prefer to be closer to the Highfield campus. This may be unfortunate for those locals who don't like students- but, if you will choose to live near a University...
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrysdog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Really can't understand the negativity here. The hotel is clearly failing, if it wasn't failing- then this wouldn't even be considered. Everyone knows student flats are profitable, so let's have the profit maker over the loss maker. Will be a shame if Ceno changes it's atmosphere from a nice chilled out area to a more lively student area though. Love that place.[/p][/quote]What about the fact that Southampton is quickly becoming one big campus?! As other have said, its all about the money, and student bring in guaranteed cash, so the city council lap it up and build more. What would be nice if they actually invested in the city to make it more enjoyable for those that choose to call it home, not those that will live here for 3 - 4 years before going back to another part of the country, probably thinking "what a dump Southampton was"[/p][/quote]As someone who moved here as a student (for the record- I didn't leave at the end of my 3 year course, and know quite a few others who also stayed...), I can say that I did not think Southampton was a dump. However, some of the accommodation we lived in during that time was shocking! More student accommodation would not be springing up unless there was demand for it. In my opinion this may kick some of the other landlords out there into gear! Those who own hundreds of grotty, damp, mouldy old houses, cramming in as many students as they can, and doing the bare minimum of maintenance (whilst raking it in), may just be forced to improve standards- if they want anyone to continue renting from them...[/p][/quote]There is a lot of good accommodation, I know from personal experience. Maybe you didn't have very high standards when choosing your accommodation??[/p][/quote]Exactly. I work in Student Lettings and none of the houses my company rent would be classed as a "dive" by anyone who moves into them. A few of them I would say are really nice houses. AND they're in the Polygon! Shock! Look for cheap ratholes and you'll find them. Look for nice places then ask about price and you'll realise that nice places are out there.[/p][/quote]I was not suggesting that some nicer accommodation doesn't exist. But I am sure the reality is that the number of rooms available in these places is far smaller than the number of students in the city? So, those who are on a tighter budget may still struggle! Also, why would students at the Uni of Southampton want to live in the Polygon? This is great for Solent students, just up the road, but realistically the majority of students at the other Uni would prefer to be closer to the Highfield campus. This may be unfortunate for those locals who don't like students- but, if you will choose to live near a University... Shirley_Girl
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