Record number of passengers use eco-friendly bus scheme in New Forest

Record number of passengers use eco-friendly bus scheme in New Forest

Record number of passengers use eco-friendly bus scheme in New Forest

First published in News

A RECORD number of people are using two eco-friendly schemes that aim to cut the number of car journeys in the New Forest.

The National Park Authority (NPA) has revealed that the popularity of the Beach Bus service and the award-winning New Forest Tour are at an all-time high.

Figures show that twice as many passengers caught the Beach Bus in its first week compared with the same period last year.

The daily summer service from Hythe to Lepe, Lymington and Beaulieu is proving popular with residents and visitors alike, thanks to a free ferry link from Southampton and 20 per cent discounts at attractions such as Buckler’s Hard.

A NPA spokesman said 1,552 passengers used the service between July 26 and August 1 compared with 719 in 2013.

He added that the New Forest Tour had so far attracted 15,977 passengers compared with 15,388 in the same period last year.

A record 40,600 people used the service in 2013 – and this year’s figure looks set to be even higher.

The spokesman said: “Numbers for the green route are significantly higher thanks to a new link with Hythe ferry, while the red route has benefited from new stops at New Forest Wildlife Park and Longdown Activity Farm.

“The timetable for the blue route along the coast has also been revised. All routes now run eight times a day, seven days a week.”

Those using the New Forest Tour can take their bikes on the bus.

Cllr Edward Heron, deputy chairman of the NPA and deputy leader of the district council, said: “The figures show that by providing a better experience, better value and regular services you can encourage residents and visitors to swap their cars for greener forms of transport.”

Last year the New Forest Tour saved about 223,000 car miles.

The Beach Bus and New Forest Tour are both provided by More buses and Bluestar. The services are due to run until August 31 and September 14 respectively.

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12:54pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Kirsty666 says...

I used it the other week and really enjoyed it
I used it the other week and really enjoyed it Kirsty666
  • Score: 0

1:36pm Wed 13 Aug 14

sammytsang says...

Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.
Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing. sammytsang
  • Score: 1

1:51pm Wed 13 Aug 14

forest hump says...

sammytsang wrote:
Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.
For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away.
Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?
[quote][p][bold]sammytsang[/bold] wrote: Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.[/p][/quote]For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away. Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon? forest hump
  • Score: 3

2:12pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Quentin Heslop says...

An average of just over 9 people per bus movement. Hardly 'green' to be running diesel guzzlers like that for the equivalent of a couple of people movers.
An average of just over 9 people per bus movement. Hardly 'green' to be running diesel guzzlers like that for the equivalent of a couple of people movers. Quentin Heslop
  • Score: 3

2:28pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Torchie1 says...

Quentin Heslop wrote:
An average of just over 9 people per bus movement. Hardly 'green' to be running diesel guzzlers like that for the equivalent of a couple of people movers.
The NPA spokesman should have been asked to comment on the long lines of vehicles chugging along behind these buses as they move sedately through the forest at 25-30MPH, spewing out emissions at this inefficient speed and undoing any good work that the buses are creating.
[quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: An average of just over 9 people per bus movement. Hardly 'green' to be running diesel guzzlers like that for the equivalent of a couple of people movers.[/p][/quote]The NPA spokesman should have been asked to comment on the long lines of vehicles chugging along behind these buses as they move sedately through the forest at 25-30MPH, spewing out emissions at this inefficient speed and undoing any good work that the buses are creating. Torchie1
  • Score: 2

2:39pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Torchie1 says...

forest hump wrote:
sammytsang wrote:
Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.
For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away.
Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?
Perhaps Sammy should question why virtually every filling station has a large shop normally selling small packs of everything which is where the site owner makes their profit from. The site owners could install 'Pay at the Pump' forecourts to outwit the 'Drive Off' thefts but the loss of footfall through the shop would then plummet and without 'impulse or pester-power purchases' the site would fold within months. There is no money to be made as a stand alone operation retailing petrol and anything made in the UK could easily be sold on the world market so the oil companies have very little to justify their UK operation other than to retain their brand images
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sammytsang[/bold] wrote: Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.[/p][/quote]For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away. Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?[/p][/quote]Perhaps Sammy should question why virtually every filling station has a large shop normally selling small packs of everything which is where the site owner makes their profit from. The site owners could install 'Pay at the Pump' forecourts to outwit the 'Drive Off' thefts but the loss of footfall through the shop would then plummet and without 'impulse or pester-power purchases' the site would fold within months. There is no money to be made as a stand alone operation retailing petrol and anything made in the UK could easily be sold on the world market so the oil companies have very little to justify their UK operation other than to retain their brand images Torchie1
  • Score: 0

3:19pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Markmag says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Quentin Heslop wrote:
An average of just over 9 people per bus movement. Hardly 'green' to be running diesel guzzlers like that for the equivalent of a couple of people movers.
The NPA spokesman should have been asked to comment on the long lines of vehicles chugging along behind these buses as they move sedately through the forest at 25-30MPH, spewing out emissions at this inefficient speed and undoing any good work that the buses are creating.
Not noticed this, they always seem to be going a fair pace. Plenty of other go-slow road users.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: An average of just over 9 people per bus movement. Hardly 'green' to be running diesel guzzlers like that for the equivalent of a couple of people movers.[/p][/quote]The NPA spokesman should have been asked to comment on the long lines of vehicles chugging along behind these buses as they move sedately through the forest at 25-30MPH, spewing out emissions at this inefficient speed and undoing any good work that the buses are creating.[/p][/quote]Not noticed this, they always seem to be going a fair pace. Plenty of other go-slow road users. Markmag
  • Score: 1

3:29pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Markmag says...

forest hump wrote:
sammytsang wrote:
Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.
For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away.
Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?
Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sammytsang[/bold] wrote: Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.[/p][/quote]For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away. Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?[/p][/quote]Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives. Markmag
  • Score: 1

4:38pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Markmag wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Quentin Heslop wrote:
An average of just over 9 people per bus movement. Hardly 'green' to be running diesel guzzlers like that for the equivalent of a couple of people movers.
The NPA spokesman should have been asked to comment on the long lines of vehicles chugging along behind these buses as they move sedately through the forest at 25-30MPH, spewing out emissions at this inefficient speed and undoing any good work that the buses are creating.
Not noticed this, they always seem to be going a fair pace. Plenty of other go-slow road users.
Dont worry he has never noticed it either ...... doesnt even live here
[quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: An average of just over 9 people per bus movement. Hardly 'green' to be running diesel guzzlers like that for the equivalent of a couple of people movers.[/p][/quote]The NPA spokesman should have been asked to comment on the long lines of vehicles chugging along behind these buses as they move sedately through the forest at 25-30MPH, spewing out emissions at this inefficient speed and undoing any good work that the buses are creating.[/p][/quote]Not noticed this, they always seem to be going a fair pace. Plenty of other go-slow road users.[/p][/quote]Dont worry he has never noticed it either ...... doesnt even live here Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 1

9:33pm Wed 13 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
sammytsang wrote:
Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.
For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away.
Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?
Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.
You clearly have no clue of economics! You need to look at PROFIT MARGIN to make any meaningful comparison. ExxonMobil make a modest 7-8 percent margin compared to the 30-50 percent of pharmaceuticals and banks....or is that too difficult to grasp! I presume you don't consume any of the by products of petroleum to make childish, inane comments like that. Don't try and kid yourself 80p a litre is fair...it is plain theft. You sir are a fool
[quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sammytsang[/bold] wrote: Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.[/p][/quote]For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away. Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?[/p][/quote]Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.[/p][/quote]You clearly have no clue of economics! You need to look at PROFIT MARGIN to make any meaningful comparison. ExxonMobil make a modest 7-8 percent margin compared to the 30-50 percent of pharmaceuticals and banks....or is that too difficult to grasp! I presume you don't consume any of the by products of petroleum to make childish, inane comments like that. Don't try and kid yourself 80p a litre is fair...it is plain theft. You sir are a fool forest hump
  • Score: -1

9:35pm Wed 13 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Torchie1 wrote:
forest hump wrote:
sammytsang wrote:
Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.
For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away.
Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?
Perhaps Sammy should question why virtually every filling station has a large shop normally selling small packs of everything which is where the site owner makes their profit from. The site owners could install 'Pay at the Pump' forecourts to outwit the 'Drive Off' thefts but the loss of footfall through the shop would then plummet and without 'impulse or pester-power purchases' the site would fold within months. There is no money to be made as a stand alone operation retailing petrol and anything made in the UK could easily be sold on the world market so the oil companies have very little to justify their UK operation other than to retain their brand images
T 1, don't think the capability to comprehend is there! Might be related to ginger.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sammytsang[/bold] wrote: Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.[/p][/quote]For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away. Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?[/p][/quote]Perhaps Sammy should question why virtually every filling station has a large shop normally selling small packs of everything which is where the site owner makes their profit from. The site owners could install 'Pay at the Pump' forecourts to outwit the 'Drive Off' thefts but the loss of footfall through the shop would then plummet and without 'impulse or pester-power purchases' the site would fold within months. There is no money to be made as a stand alone operation retailing petrol and anything made in the UK could easily be sold on the world market so the oil companies have very little to justify their UK operation other than to retain their brand images[/p][/quote]T 1, don't think the capability to comprehend is there! Might be related to ginger. forest hump
  • Score: 1

7:52am Thu 14 Aug 14

MisterGrimsdale says...

Having now read the story I have concluded that an "eco bus" is actually "a bus".
"Bus Goes across Forest - carries some passengers" - is not quite such a news story really.
Having now read the story I have concluded that an "eco bus" is actually "a bus". "Bus Goes across Forest - carries some passengers" - is not quite such a news story really. MisterGrimsdale
  • Score: 5

8:20am Thu 14 Aug 14

jen1 says...

I would bet that these buses have not saved one single car journey. More than likely they've just provided people with something to do.
I would bet that these buses have not saved one single car journey. More than likely they've just provided people with something to do. jen1
  • Score: 4

9:07am Thu 14 Aug 14

Markmag says...

forest hump wrote:
Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
sammytsang wrote:
Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.
For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away.
Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?
Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.
You clearly have no clue of economics! You need to look at PROFIT MARGIN to make any meaningful comparison. ExxonMobil make a modest 7-8 percent margin compared to the 30-50 percent of pharmaceuticals and banks....or is that too difficult to grasp! I presume you don't consume any of the by products of petroleum to make childish, inane comments like that. Don't try and kid yourself 80p a litre is fair...it is plain theft. You sir are a fool
Petroleum is great, didn't criticise it anywhere- you made quite a presumption there. But it is a luxury and should be taxed as such. Governments don't have shareholders so that 80p is invested in the country. ExxonMobil and BP do so their excessive profits go to rich investors and to make more money for the rich investors later. That is the plain facts, and I really pity you for not being able to understand that. Big profit making multinationals have far too much power, influence and control, and the oil industry are just as guilty of that as pharmaceuticals and banking.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sammytsang[/bold] wrote: Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.[/p][/quote]For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away. Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?[/p][/quote]Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.[/p][/quote]You clearly have no clue of economics! You need to look at PROFIT MARGIN to make any meaningful comparison. ExxonMobil make a modest 7-8 percent margin compared to the 30-50 percent of pharmaceuticals and banks....or is that too difficult to grasp! I presume you don't consume any of the by products of petroleum to make childish, inane comments like that. Don't try and kid yourself 80p a litre is fair...it is plain theft. You sir are a fool[/p][/quote]Petroleum is great, didn't criticise it anywhere- you made quite a presumption there. But it is a luxury and should be taxed as such. Governments don't have shareholders so that 80p is invested in the country. ExxonMobil and BP do so their excessive profits go to rich investors and to make more money for the rich investors later. That is the plain facts, and I really pity you for not being able to understand that. Big profit making multinationals have far too much power, influence and control, and the oil industry are just as guilty of that as pharmaceuticals and banking. Markmag
  • Score: 1

9:39am Thu 14 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
sammytsang wrote:
Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.
For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away.
Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?
Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.
You clearly have no clue of economics! You need to look at PROFIT MARGIN to make any meaningful comparison. ExxonMobil make a modest 7-8 percent margin compared to the 30-50 percent of pharmaceuticals and banks....or is that too difficult to grasp! I presume you don't consume any of the by products of petroleum to make childish, inane comments like that. Don't try and kid yourself 80p a litre is fair...it is plain theft. You sir are a fool
Petroleum is great, didn't criticise it anywhere- you made quite a presumption there. But it is a luxury and should be taxed as such. Governments don't have shareholders so that 80p is invested in the country. ExxonMobil and BP do so their excessive profits go to rich investors and to make more money for the rich investors later. That is the plain facts, and I really pity you for not being able to understand that. Big profit making multinationals have far too much power, influence and control, and the oil industry are just as guilty of that as pharmaceuticals and banking.
Again, you are devoid of the concept of profit margin. I fail to see how petroleum can be classed as a luxury? Very narrow minded! People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if oil companies stopped their costly exploration and production to provide essentials of everyday life. Get back on your socialist bus with Southy and move to the nearest rain forest so you can save it whilst living there. I despise people who knock the big corporations and promptly use their products. Hypocrites to the extreme.
[quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sammytsang[/bold] wrote: Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.[/p][/quote]For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away. Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?[/p][/quote]Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.[/p][/quote]You clearly have no clue of economics! You need to look at PROFIT MARGIN to make any meaningful comparison. ExxonMobil make a modest 7-8 percent margin compared to the 30-50 percent of pharmaceuticals and banks....or is that too difficult to grasp! I presume you don't consume any of the by products of petroleum to make childish, inane comments like that. Don't try and kid yourself 80p a litre is fair...it is plain theft. You sir are a fool[/p][/quote]Petroleum is great, didn't criticise it anywhere- you made quite a presumption there. But it is a luxury and should be taxed as such. Governments don't have shareholders so that 80p is invested in the country. ExxonMobil and BP do so their excessive profits go to rich investors and to make more money for the rich investors later. That is the plain facts, and I really pity you for not being able to understand that. Big profit making multinationals have far too much power, influence and control, and the oil industry are just as guilty of that as pharmaceuticals and banking.[/p][/quote]Again, you are devoid of the concept of profit margin. I fail to see how petroleum can be classed as a luxury? Very narrow minded! People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if oil companies stopped their costly exploration and production to provide essentials of everyday life. Get back on your socialist bus with Southy and move to the nearest rain forest so you can save it whilst living there. I despise people who knock the big corporations and promptly use their products. Hypocrites to the extreme. forest hump
  • Score: -2

11:51am Thu 14 Aug 14

Torchie1 says...

Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
sammytsang wrote:
Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.
For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away.
Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?
Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.
You clearly have no clue of economics! You need to look at PROFIT MARGIN to make any meaningful comparison. ExxonMobil make a modest 7-8 percent margin compared to the 30-50 percent of pharmaceuticals and banks....or is that too difficult to grasp! I presume you don't consume any of the by products of petroleum to make childish, inane comments like that. Don't try and kid yourself 80p a litre is fair...it is plain theft. You sir are a fool
Petroleum is great, didn't criticise it anywhere- you made quite a presumption there. But it is a luxury and should be taxed as such. Governments don't have shareholders so that 80p is invested in the country. ExxonMobil and BP do so their excessive profits go to rich investors and to make more money for the rich investors later. That is the plain facts, and I really pity you for not being able to understand that. Big profit making multinationals have far too much power, influence and control, and the oil industry are just as guilty of that as pharmaceuticals and banking.
Luckily for the employees of ExxonMobil they can all be company shareholders if they choose, and the advantageous tax regime plus the company matching the employees investment pound for pound means that very few aren't in the share scheme. This means that the money you pay at the pump is helping to fund the share scheme and the money you pay to HMRC is underwriting the shareholders tax relief. Have a nice day.
[quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sammytsang[/bold] wrote: Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.[/p][/quote]For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away. Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?[/p][/quote]Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.[/p][/quote]You clearly have no clue of economics! You need to look at PROFIT MARGIN to make any meaningful comparison. ExxonMobil make a modest 7-8 percent margin compared to the 30-50 percent of pharmaceuticals and banks....or is that too difficult to grasp! I presume you don't consume any of the by products of petroleum to make childish, inane comments like that. Don't try and kid yourself 80p a litre is fair...it is plain theft. You sir are a fool[/p][/quote]Petroleum is great, didn't criticise it anywhere- you made quite a presumption there. But it is a luxury and should be taxed as such. Governments don't have shareholders so that 80p is invested in the country. ExxonMobil and BP do so their excessive profits go to rich investors and to make more money for the rich investors later. That is the plain facts, and I really pity you for not being able to understand that. Big profit making multinationals have far too much power, influence and control, and the oil industry are just as guilty of that as pharmaceuticals and banking.[/p][/quote]Luckily for the employees of ExxonMobil they can all be company shareholders if they choose, and the advantageous tax regime plus the company matching the employees investment pound for pound means that very few aren't in the share scheme. This means that the money you pay at the pump is helping to fund the share scheme and the money you pay to HMRC is underwriting the shareholders tax relief. Have a nice day. Torchie1
  • Score: 2

4:42pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Markmag says...

It's also helping to fund lobbying so ExxonMobil can get their way more.
It's also helping to fund lobbying so ExxonMobil can get their way more. Markmag
  • Score: -1

4:56pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Markmag says...

forest hump wrote:
Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
sammytsang wrote:
Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.
For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away.
Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?
Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.
You clearly have no clue of economics! You need to look at PROFIT MARGIN to make any meaningful comparison. ExxonMobil make a modest 7-8 percent margin compared to the 30-50 percent of pharmaceuticals and banks....or is that too difficult to grasp! I presume you don't consume any of the by products of petroleum to make childish, inane comments like that. Don't try and kid yourself 80p a litre is fair...it is plain theft. You sir are a fool
Petroleum is great, didn't criticise it anywhere- you made quite a presumption there. But it is a luxury and should be taxed as such. Governments don't have shareholders so that 80p is invested in the country. ExxonMobil and BP do so their excessive profits go to rich investors and to make more money for the rich investors later. That is the plain facts, and I really pity you for not being able to understand that. Big profit making multinationals have far too much power, influence and control, and the oil industry are just as guilty of that as pharmaceuticals and banking.
Again, you are devoid of the concept of profit margin. I fail to see how petroleum can be classed as a luxury? Very narrow minded! People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if oil companies stopped their costly exploration and production to provide essentials of everyday life. Get back on your socialist bus with Southy and move to the nearest rain forest so you can save it whilst living there. I despise people who knock the big corporations and promptly use their products. Hypocrites to the extreme.
You're making even less sense as this goes on. What an embarrassment. Of course petroleum is a luxury! Anything that you don't need to survive - ie basic food and shelter - is a luxury. We are surrounded by luxuries but they are nearly all taxed in some way. Why should Petrol be any different just to boost Exxon's profits? You're making out exploration and production are done out of some charitable act - err no it's to maintain profits ongoing!
Profit margins are immaterial. If a company only makes 1p profit on every £1 that goes through their tills but that's because they're including in their costs billions spent on lobbying so they can make even more profit ongoing what does that mean? According to your logic if I only made a quid profit out of killing people's unwanted pets according to you that makes me wonderful compared to a pharmacutical company making two pounds profit on a drug that saves people's lives - surely you can understand your world makes no sense!
You are the hypocrite - I don't despise big corporations but I don't think they should be control of the world like you clearly do - I want strong elected governments you can limit corporation excess. Sadly people like you would rather American Multi-Billionaires controlled your life rather than a democratically elected Government.
People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if governments stopped providing the real essentials of everyday life, which they can only do through taxation. You sir, are the hypocrite. Goodday to you!
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sammytsang[/bold] wrote: Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.[/p][/quote]For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away. Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?[/p][/quote]Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.[/p][/quote]You clearly have no clue of economics! You need to look at PROFIT MARGIN to make any meaningful comparison. ExxonMobil make a modest 7-8 percent margin compared to the 30-50 percent of pharmaceuticals and banks....or is that too difficult to grasp! I presume you don't consume any of the by products of petroleum to make childish, inane comments like that. Don't try and kid yourself 80p a litre is fair...it is plain theft. You sir are a fool[/p][/quote]Petroleum is great, didn't criticise it anywhere- you made quite a presumption there. But it is a luxury and should be taxed as such. Governments don't have shareholders so that 80p is invested in the country. ExxonMobil and BP do so their excessive profits go to rich investors and to make more money for the rich investors later. That is the plain facts, and I really pity you for not being able to understand that. Big profit making multinationals have far too much power, influence and control, and the oil industry are just as guilty of that as pharmaceuticals and banking.[/p][/quote]Again, you are devoid of the concept of profit margin. I fail to see how petroleum can be classed as a luxury? Very narrow minded! People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if oil companies stopped their costly exploration and production to provide essentials of everyday life. Get back on your socialist bus with Southy and move to the nearest rain forest so you can save it whilst living there. I despise people who knock the big corporations and promptly use their products. Hypocrites to the extreme.[/p][/quote]You're making even less sense as this goes on. What an embarrassment. Of course petroleum is a luxury! Anything that you don't need to survive - ie basic food and shelter - is a luxury. We are surrounded by luxuries but they are nearly all taxed in some way. Why should Petrol be any different just to boost Exxon's profits? You're making out exploration and production are done out of some charitable act - err no it's to maintain profits ongoing! Profit margins are immaterial. If a company only makes 1p profit on every £1 that goes through their tills but that's because they're including in their costs billions spent on lobbying so they can make even more profit ongoing what does that mean? According to your logic if I only made a quid profit out of killing people's unwanted pets according to you that makes me wonderful compared to a pharmacutical company making two pounds profit on a drug that saves people's lives - surely you can understand your world makes no sense! You are the hypocrite - I don't despise big corporations but I don't think they should be control of the world like you clearly do - I want strong elected governments you can limit corporation excess. Sadly people like you would rather American Multi-Billionaires controlled your life rather than a democratically elected Government. People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if governments stopped providing the real essentials of everyday life, which they can only do through taxation. You sir, are the hypocrite. Goodday to you! Markmag
  • Score: -2

5:29pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Torchie1 says...

Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
sammytsang wrote:
Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.
For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away.
Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?
Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.
You clearly have no clue of economics! You need to look at PROFIT MARGIN to make any meaningful comparison. ExxonMobil make a modest 7-8 percent margin compared to the 30-50 percent of pharmaceuticals and banks....or is that too difficult to grasp! I presume you don't consume any of the by products of petroleum to make childish, inane comments like that. Don't try and kid yourself 80p a litre is fair...it is plain theft. You sir are a fool
Petroleum is great, didn't criticise it anywhere- you made quite a presumption there. But it is a luxury and should be taxed as such. Governments don't have shareholders so that 80p is invested in the country. ExxonMobil and BP do so their excessive profits go to rich investors and to make more money for the rich investors later. That is the plain facts, and I really pity you for not being able to understand that. Big profit making multinationals have far too much power, influence and control, and the oil industry are just as guilty of that as pharmaceuticals and banking.
Again, you are devoid of the concept of profit margin. I fail to see how petroleum can be classed as a luxury? Very narrow minded! People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if oil companies stopped their costly exploration and production to provide essentials of everyday life. Get back on your socialist bus with Southy and move to the nearest rain forest so you can save it whilst living there. I despise people who knock the big corporations and promptly use their products. Hypocrites to the extreme.
You're making even less sense as this goes on. What an embarrassment. Of course petroleum is a luxury! Anything that you don't need to survive - ie basic food and shelter - is a luxury. We are surrounded by luxuries but they are nearly all taxed in some way. Why should Petrol be any different just to boost Exxon's profits? You're making out exploration and production are done out of some charitable act - err no it's to maintain profits ongoing!
Profit margins are immaterial. If a company only makes 1p profit on every £1 that goes through their tills but that's because they're including in their costs billions spent on lobbying so they can make even more profit ongoing what does that mean? According to your logic if I only made a quid profit out of killing people's unwanted pets according to you that makes me wonderful compared to a pharmacutical company making two pounds profit on a drug that saves people's lives - surely you can understand your world makes no sense!
You are the hypocrite - I don't despise big corporations but I don't think they should be control of the world like you clearly do - I want strong elected governments you can limit corporation excess. Sadly people like you would rather American Multi-Billionaires controlled your life rather than a democratically elected Government.
People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if governments stopped providing the real essentials of everyday life, which they can only do through taxation. You sir, are the hypocrite. Goodday to you!
Would you still consider petrol an unnecessary luxury if it was fueling the Ambulance or Fire Engine on it's way to save your life?
[quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sammytsang[/bold] wrote: Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.[/p][/quote]For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away. Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?[/p][/quote]Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.[/p][/quote]You clearly have no clue of economics! You need to look at PROFIT MARGIN to make any meaningful comparison. ExxonMobil make a modest 7-8 percent margin compared to the 30-50 percent of pharmaceuticals and banks....or is that too difficult to grasp! I presume you don't consume any of the by products of petroleum to make childish, inane comments like that. Don't try and kid yourself 80p a litre is fair...it is plain theft. You sir are a fool[/p][/quote]Petroleum is great, didn't criticise it anywhere- you made quite a presumption there. But it is a luxury and should be taxed as such. Governments don't have shareholders so that 80p is invested in the country. ExxonMobil and BP do so their excessive profits go to rich investors and to make more money for the rich investors later. That is the plain facts, and I really pity you for not being able to understand that. Big profit making multinationals have far too much power, influence and control, and the oil industry are just as guilty of that as pharmaceuticals and banking.[/p][/quote]Again, you are devoid of the concept of profit margin. I fail to see how petroleum can be classed as a luxury? Very narrow minded! People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if oil companies stopped their costly exploration and production to provide essentials of everyday life. Get back on your socialist bus with Southy and move to the nearest rain forest so you can save it whilst living there. I despise people who knock the big corporations and promptly use their products. Hypocrites to the extreme.[/p][/quote]You're making even less sense as this goes on. What an embarrassment. Of course petroleum is a luxury! Anything that you don't need to survive - ie basic food and shelter - is a luxury. We are surrounded by luxuries but they are nearly all taxed in some way. Why should Petrol be any different just to boost Exxon's profits? You're making out exploration and production are done out of some charitable act - err no it's to maintain profits ongoing! Profit margins are immaterial. If a company only makes 1p profit on every £1 that goes through their tills but that's because they're including in their costs billions spent on lobbying so they can make even more profit ongoing what does that mean? According to your logic if I only made a quid profit out of killing people's unwanted pets according to you that makes me wonderful compared to a pharmacutical company making two pounds profit on a drug that saves people's lives - surely you can understand your world makes no sense! You are the hypocrite - I don't despise big corporations but I don't think they should be control of the world like you clearly do - I want strong elected governments you can limit corporation excess. Sadly people like you would rather American Multi-Billionaires controlled your life rather than a democratically elected Government. People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if governments stopped providing the real essentials of everyday life, which they can only do through taxation. You sir, are the hypocrite. Goodday to you![/p][/quote]Would you still consider petrol an unnecessary luxury if it was fueling the Ambulance or Fire Engine on it's way to save your life? Torchie1
  • Score: 0

9:04pm Thu 14 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
sammytsang wrote:
Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.
For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away.
Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?
Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.
You clearly have no clue of economics! You need to look at PROFIT MARGIN to make any meaningful comparison. ExxonMobil make a modest 7-8 percent margin compared to the 30-50 percent of pharmaceuticals and banks....or is that too difficult to grasp! I presume you don't consume any of the by products of petroleum to make childish, inane comments like that. Don't try and kid yourself 80p a litre is fair...it is plain theft. You sir are a fool
Petroleum is great, didn't criticise it anywhere- you made quite a presumption there. But it is a luxury and should be taxed as such. Governments don't have shareholders so that 80p is invested in the country. ExxonMobil and BP do so their excessive profits go to rich investors and to make more money for the rich investors later. That is the plain facts, and I really pity you for not being able to understand that. Big profit making multinationals have far too much power, influence and control, and the oil industry are just as guilty of that as pharmaceuticals and banking.
Again, you are devoid of the concept of profit margin. I fail to see how petroleum can be classed as a luxury? Very narrow minded! People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if oil companies stopped their costly exploration and production to provide essentials of everyday life. Get back on your socialist bus with Southy and move to the nearest rain forest so you can save it whilst living there. I despise people who knock the big corporations and promptly use their products. Hypocrites to the extreme.
You're making even less sense as this goes on. What an embarrassment. Of course petroleum is a luxury! Anything that you don't need to survive - ie basic food and shelter - is a luxury. We are surrounded by luxuries but they are nearly all taxed in some way. Why should Petrol be any different just to boost Exxon's profits? You're making out exploration and production are done out of some charitable act - err no it's to maintain profits ongoing!
Profit margins are immaterial. If a company only makes 1p profit on every £1 that goes through their tills but that's because they're including in their costs billions spent on lobbying so they can make even more profit ongoing what does that mean? According to your logic if I only made a quid profit out of killing people's unwanted pets according to you that makes me wonderful compared to a pharmacutical company making two pounds profit on a drug that saves people's lives - surely you can understand your world makes no sense!
You are the hypocrite - I don't despise big corporations but I don't think they should be control of the world like you clearly do - I want strong elected governments you can limit corporation excess. Sadly people like you would rather American Multi-Billionaires controlled your life rather than a democratically elected Government.
People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if governments stopped providing the real essentials of everyday life, which they can only do through taxation. You sir, are the hypocrite. Goodday to you!
Would you still consider petrol an unnecessary luxury if it was fueling the Ambulance or Fire Engine on it's way to save your life?
You are wasting your breath on this imbecile. Sounds like he has had one too many lunches with Southy. Corporations controlling the world?? Clearly living in a fantasy world. "Governments providing the essentials of everyday life" please! they are money grabbing, self indulgent thieves.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sammytsang[/bold] wrote: Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.[/p][/quote]For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away. Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?[/p][/quote]Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.[/p][/quote]You clearly have no clue of economics! You need to look at PROFIT MARGIN to make any meaningful comparison. ExxonMobil make a modest 7-8 percent margin compared to the 30-50 percent of pharmaceuticals and banks....or is that too difficult to grasp! I presume you don't consume any of the by products of petroleum to make childish, inane comments like that. Don't try and kid yourself 80p a litre is fair...it is plain theft. You sir are a fool[/p][/quote]Petroleum is great, didn't criticise it anywhere- you made quite a presumption there. But it is a luxury and should be taxed as such. Governments don't have shareholders so that 80p is invested in the country. ExxonMobil and BP do so their excessive profits go to rich investors and to make more money for the rich investors later. That is the plain facts, and I really pity you for not being able to understand that. Big profit making multinationals have far too much power, influence and control, and the oil industry are just as guilty of that as pharmaceuticals and banking.[/p][/quote]Again, you are devoid of the concept of profit margin. I fail to see how petroleum can be classed as a luxury? Very narrow minded! People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if oil companies stopped their costly exploration and production to provide essentials of everyday life. Get back on your socialist bus with Southy and move to the nearest rain forest so you can save it whilst living there. I despise people who knock the big corporations and promptly use their products. Hypocrites to the extreme.[/p][/quote]You're making even less sense as this goes on. What an embarrassment. Of course petroleum is a luxury! Anything that you don't need to survive - ie basic food and shelter - is a luxury. We are surrounded by luxuries but they are nearly all taxed in some way. Why should Petrol be any different just to boost Exxon's profits? You're making out exploration and production are done out of some charitable act - err no it's to maintain profits ongoing! Profit margins are immaterial. If a company only makes 1p profit on every £1 that goes through their tills but that's because they're including in their costs billions spent on lobbying so they can make even more profit ongoing what does that mean? According to your logic if I only made a quid profit out of killing people's unwanted pets according to you that makes me wonderful compared to a pharmacutical company making two pounds profit on a drug that saves people's lives - surely you can understand your world makes no sense! You are the hypocrite - I don't despise big corporations but I don't think they should be control of the world like you clearly do - I want strong elected governments you can limit corporation excess. Sadly people like you would rather American Multi-Billionaires controlled your life rather than a democratically elected Government. People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if governments stopped providing the real essentials of everyday life, which they can only do through taxation. You sir, are the hypocrite. Goodday to you![/p][/quote]Would you still consider petrol an unnecessary luxury if it was fueling the Ambulance or Fire Engine on it's way to save your life?[/p][/quote]You are wasting your breath on this imbecile. Sounds like he has had one too many lunches with Southy. Corporations controlling the world?? Clearly living in a fantasy world. "Governments providing the essentials of everyday life" please! they are money grabbing, self indulgent thieves. forest hump
  • Score: 1

9:07pm Thu 14 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Markmag wrote:
forest hump wrote:
sammytsang wrote:
Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.
For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away.
Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?
Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.
You clearly have no clue of economics! You need to look at PROFIT MARGIN to make any meaningful comparison. ExxonMobil make a modest 7-8 percent margin compared to the 30-50 percent of pharmaceuticals and banks....or is that too difficult to grasp! I presume you don't consume any of the by products of petroleum to make childish, inane comments like that. Don't try and kid yourself 80p a litre is fair...it is plain theft. You sir are a fool
Petroleum is great, didn't criticise it anywhere- you made quite a presumption there. But it is a luxury and should be taxed as such. Governments don't have shareholders so that 80p is invested in the country. ExxonMobil and BP do so their excessive profits go to rich investors and to make more money for the rich investors later. That is the plain facts, and I really pity you for not being able to understand that. Big profit making multinationals have far too much power, influence and control, and the oil industry are just as guilty of that as pharmaceuticals and banking.
Again, you are devoid of the concept of profit margin. I fail to see how petroleum can be classed as a luxury? Very narrow minded! People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if oil companies stopped their costly exploration and production to provide essentials of everyday life. Get back on your socialist bus with Southy and move to the nearest rain forest so you can save it whilst living there. I despise people who knock the big corporations and promptly use their products. Hypocrites to the extreme.
You're making even less sense as this goes on. What an embarrassment. Of course petroleum is a luxury! Anything that you don't need to survive - ie basic food and shelter - is a luxury. We are surrounded by luxuries but they are nearly all taxed in some way. Why should Petrol be any different just to boost Exxon's profits? You're making out exploration and production are done out of some charitable act - err no it's to maintain profits ongoing!
Profit margins are immaterial. If a company only makes 1p profit on every £1 that goes through their tills but that's because they're including in their costs billions spent on lobbying so they can make even more profit ongoing what does that mean? According to your logic if I only made a quid profit out of killing people's unwanted pets according to you that makes me wonderful compared to a pharmacutical company making two pounds profit on a drug that saves people's lives - surely you can understand your world makes no sense!
You are the hypocrite - I don't despise big corporations but I don't think they should be control of the world like you clearly do - I want strong elected governments you can limit corporation excess. Sadly people like you would rather American Multi-Billionaires controlled your life rather than a democratically elected Government.
People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if governments stopped providing the real essentials of everyday life, which they can only do through taxation. You sir, are the hypocrite. Goodday to you!
See other post. Words like naive and fool spring to mind. And I will have a good day, in-spite of your frail attempt to delude.
[quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sammytsang[/bold] wrote: Anything that reduces the profit of oil companies is a good thing.[/p][/quote]For you information, the Government make more money from Fuel than the oil companies do. They snatch approx. 80p per litre. There is no profit on fuel refined in the UK. Currently you cannot give refineries away. Also, if you hate oil companies so much, I presume you use none of their by-products? or are you just another of these pro-greenies jumping on the hate bandwagon?[/p][/quote]Agree no profit on petrol refined in UK and at the petrol station. But that doesn't change the fact BP made profits of over two billion pounds last year. A third of what Apple makes, but still shows there is plenty of money in oil. As for the government "snatching" 80p per litre - this pays for essential services which I'm sure you would be the first to moan about if they weren't there. I'm guessing you vote UKIP to think like that? I always think poor selfish people who think that way must live such unhappy lives.[/p][/quote]You clearly have no clue of economics! You need to look at PROFIT MARGIN to make any meaningful comparison. ExxonMobil make a modest 7-8 percent margin compared to the 30-50 percent of pharmaceuticals and banks....or is that too difficult to grasp! I presume you don't consume any of the by products of petroleum to make childish, inane comments like that. Don't try and kid yourself 80p a litre is fair...it is plain theft. You sir are a fool[/p][/quote]Petroleum is great, didn't criticise it anywhere- you made quite a presumption there. But it is a luxury and should be taxed as such. Governments don't have shareholders so that 80p is invested in the country. ExxonMobil and BP do so their excessive profits go to rich investors and to make more money for the rich investors later. That is the plain facts, and I really pity you for not being able to understand that. Big profit making multinationals have far too much power, influence and control, and the oil industry are just as guilty of that as pharmaceuticals and banking.[/p][/quote]Again, you are devoid of the concept of profit margin. I fail to see how petroleum can be classed as a luxury? Very narrow minded! People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if oil companies stopped their costly exploration and production to provide essentials of everyday life. Get back on your socialist bus with Southy and move to the nearest rain forest so you can save it whilst living there. I despise people who knock the big corporations and promptly use their products. Hypocrites to the extreme.[/p][/quote]You're making even less sense as this goes on. What an embarrassment. Of course petroleum is a luxury! Anything that you don't need to survive - ie basic food and shelter - is a luxury. We are surrounded by luxuries but they are nearly all taxed in some way. Why should Petrol be any different just to boost Exxon's profits? You're making out exploration and production are done out of some charitable act - err no it's to maintain profits ongoing! Profit margins are immaterial. If a company only makes 1p profit on every £1 that goes through their tills but that's because they're including in their costs billions spent on lobbying so they can make even more profit ongoing what does that mean? According to your logic if I only made a quid profit out of killing people's unwanted pets according to you that makes me wonderful compared to a pharmacutical company making two pounds profit on a drug that saves people's lives - surely you can understand your world makes no sense! You are the hypocrite - I don't despise big corporations but I don't think they should be control of the world like you clearly do - I want strong elected governments you can limit corporation excess. Sadly people like you would rather American Multi-Billionaires controlled your life rather than a democratically elected Government. People like You would be the first to whinnie and whine if governments stopped providing the real essentials of everyday life, which they can only do through taxation. You sir, are the hypocrite. Goodday to you![/p][/quote]See other post. Words like naive and fool spring to mind. And I will have a good day, in-spite of your frail attempt to delude. forest hump
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