Boris Bike-style cycle hire scheme hope for Southampton

Boris Johnson with some of the bikes from the London scheme

Boris Johnson with some of the bikes from the London scheme

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IT is the pedal powered scheme that transformed the City of London’s transport system – and it could be coming to Southampton.

The Daily Echo can reveal a study has been launched into the idea of introducing public hire bikes – famously dubbed “Boris Bikes”– to the city.

Consultancy firm Transport Initiatives has been commissioned by Southampton City Council to carry out the study.

It could be 18 months before the bikes are seen in the city but the announcement has been welcomed by campaigners pushing for better cycling routes across the city.

But it is not yet known how the scheme will be funded.

The news also comes after plans for a similar £2m scheme for the New Forest could be back on track after the National Park Authority initially voted against the idea.

As reported, Hampshire County Council’s Cllr David Harrison wants to roll out the scheme on the edge of the national park – taking it out of the NPA’s hands.

Transport Initiatives is currently asking people for views on which locations in Southampton would benefit from the scheme ahead of a possible meeting with potential stakeholders next month.

The “Boris Bikes” self-service cycle hire scheme was introduced in London in 2010 by mayor Boris Johnson to encourage people to use two wheels rather than a car to cut down congestion on busy routes.

Despite the name, the scheme was actually the brainchild of previous mayor Ken Livingstone.

The London scheme is currently sponsored by Barclays although their partnership is set to come to an end.

Southampton City Council leader Cllr Simon Letts  said a similar sponsor would be sought if the plans went ahead.

He said: “We are a pretty flat city and it is an ideal place to cycle around. If people can take a bus into town and cycle around, it’s to the benefit of everybody.

“The aim is to encourage cycling, which is good for the environment, good for the individual and good for the amount of traffic in the city centre.”

As reported, figures revealed that Hampshire is one of the cycling capitals of the country, with more than 20,000 people using pedal power to get to and from work.

Transport Initiatives says it will be looking at existing schemes across the country, and assessing what lessons can be learned that could apply to Southampton.

The news was welcomed by members of Southampton Cycling Campaign at one of its meetings earlier this week.

Lindsi Bluemel said: “All my family use Boris Bikes and we find them wonderful, but whether it would work in Southampton is the question.

“We would like to see more details of the scheme, but we generally approve of it.”

The group said it would like the scheme to be cheap and easy for people to use, and be regularly maintained, but admitted it would like to see the city’s cycling infrastructure improved before it is introduced.

David Cooper added: “There’s a lot of excitement and the reaction generally appears positive.

“We know that where it works best in places like London it goes hand in hand with decent infrastructure, and it would be lovely to see Southampton work on this together.”

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1:10pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mr E says...

Has Cllr Simon Letts (Quote 'We are a pretty flat city' ) ever actually rode a bike around Southampton ?

From my memory of Cycling around Southampton, Admittedly a long time ago it was anything but Flat
Has Cllr Simon Letts (Quote 'We are a pretty flat city' ) ever actually rode a bike around Southampton ? From my memory of Cycling around Southampton, Admittedly a long time ago it was anything but Flat Mr E
  • Score: 20

1:15pm Fri 29 Aug 14

theoriginalwasp says...

Good initiative. Looking forward to the cyclist bashing comments...
Good initiative. Looking forward to the cyclist bashing comments... theoriginalwasp
  • Score: -4

1:22pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Moonraker1983 says...

I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire?

Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.
I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire? Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years. Moonraker1983
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1:27pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Moonraker1983 says...

Also the council need to consider the cost. Whilst the scheme wouldn't be as large as London, which costs £11m a year to run, it would certainly cost the taxpayer. Even Barclays managed to only pay half of the £50m sponsorship they'd agreed to, so hopefully the council here will have a better procurement department arranging sponsorship.

Better cycling routes, not shared with pedestrians and cars should ultimately make everyone happy. No bikes on pavements or in the road.
Also the council need to consider the cost. Whilst the scheme wouldn't be as large as London, which costs £11m a year to run, it would certainly cost the taxpayer. Even Barclays managed to only pay half of the £50m sponsorship they'd agreed to, so hopefully the council here will have a better procurement department arranging sponsorship. Better cycling routes, not shared with pedestrians and cars should ultimately make everyone happy. No bikes on pavements or in the road. Moonraker1983
  • Score: -4

1:30pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Solent Soul says...

Brilliant idea, especially if it could be linked in with the New Forest Bcycle scheme that is being championed by Councillor David Harrison! As said in the article, the road/cycle infrastructure needs to be addressed to achieve the best results though..
Brilliant idea, especially if it could be linked in with the New Forest Bcycle scheme that is being championed by Councillor David Harrison! As said in the article, the road/cycle infrastructure needs to be addressed to achieve the best results though.. Solent Soul
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1:39pm Fri 29 Aug 14

kaido says...

Moonraker1983 wrote:
I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire?

Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.
Have you never ventured beyond northam or cobden bridge. Southampton is very hilly once you go beyond those bridges.
[quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire? Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.[/p][/quote]Have you never ventured beyond northam or cobden bridge. Southampton is very hilly once you go beyond those bridges. kaido
  • Score: 20

1:57pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Moonraker1983 wrote:
Also the council need to consider the cost. Whilst the scheme wouldn't be as large as London, which costs £11m a year to run, it would certainly cost the taxpayer. Even Barclays managed to only pay half of the £50m sponsorship they'd agreed to, so hopefully the council here will have a better procurement department arranging sponsorship.

Better cycling routes, not shared with pedestrians and cars should ultimately make everyone happy. No bikes on pavements or in the road.
But bikes are road vehicles, they belong on the road.
[quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: Also the council need to consider the cost. Whilst the scheme wouldn't be as large as London, which costs £11m a year to run, it would certainly cost the taxpayer. Even Barclays managed to only pay half of the £50m sponsorship they'd agreed to, so hopefully the council here will have a better procurement department arranging sponsorship. Better cycling routes, not shared with pedestrians and cars should ultimately make everyone happy. No bikes on pavements or in the road.[/p][/quote]But bikes are road vehicles, they belong on the road. Ginger_cyclist
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2:00pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

kaido wrote:
Moonraker1983 wrote:
I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire?

Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.
Have you never ventured beyond northam or cobden bridge. Southampton is very hilly once you go beyond those bridges.
I challenge anyone who hasn't ridden up lances hill, to ride up it and NOT say "That was a killer" while panting.
[quote][p][bold]kaido[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire? Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.[/p][/quote]Have you never ventured beyond northam or cobden bridge. Southampton is very hilly once you go beyond those bridges.[/p][/quote]I challenge anyone who hasn't ridden up lances hill, to ride up it and NOT say "That was a killer" while panting. Ginger_cyclist
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2:09pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Zootopian says...

If anyone here thinks Southampton is a hilly place, then they need venture out and see some of the rest of the country.

Yes, it has some hills which are killers to get up, but it is not a hilly place overall.
If anyone here thinks Southampton is a hilly place, then they need venture out and see some of the rest of the country. Yes, it has some hills which are killers to get up, but it is not a hilly place overall. Zootopian
  • Score: 1

2:19pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Zootopian wrote:
If anyone here thinks Southampton is a hilly place, then they need venture out and see some of the rest of the country.

Yes, it has some hills which are killers to get up, but it is not a hilly place overall.
Bit like Norfolk, mostly flat but when you find an actual hill, you know about.
[quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: If anyone here thinks Southampton is a hilly place, then they need venture out and see some of the rest of the country. Yes, it has some hills which are killers to get up, but it is not a hilly place overall.[/p][/quote]Bit like Norfolk, mostly flat but when you find an actual hill, you know about. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 4

2:33pm Fri 29 Aug 14

TheBeatSurrender says...

Moonraker1983 wrote:
I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire? Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.
Witts hill, athelston...pretty much all of midanbury. Anything far from flat lol!
[quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire? Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.[/p][/quote]Witts hill, athelston...pretty much all of midanbury. Anything far from flat lol! TheBeatSurrender
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2:38pm Fri 29 Aug 14

southy says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
If anyone here thinks Southampton is a hilly place, then they need venture out and see some of the rest of the country.

Yes, it has some hills which are killers to get up, but it is not a hilly place overall.
Bit like Norfolk, mostly flat but when you find an actual hill, you know about.
Southampton is only flatish on the flood plain, the city walls was built on a hill, once you come of the flood plain its up hill all the way with a few minor drops along the way as you croos the old streams and brook valleys
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: If anyone here thinks Southampton is a hilly place, then they need venture out and see some of the rest of the country. Yes, it has some hills which are killers to get up, but it is not a hilly place overall.[/p][/quote]Bit like Norfolk, mostly flat but when you find an actual hill, you know about.[/p][/quote]Southampton is only flatish on the flood plain, the city walls was built on a hill, once you come of the flood plain its up hill all the way with a few minor drops along the way as you croos the old streams and brook valleys southy
  • Score: 3

2:42pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

southy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
If anyone here thinks Southampton is a hilly place, then they need venture out and see some of the rest of the country.

Yes, it has some hills which are killers to get up, but it is not a hilly place overall.
Bit like Norfolk, mostly flat but when you find an actual hill, you know about.
Southampton is only flatish on the flood plain, the city walls was built on a hill, once you come of the flood plain its up hill all the way with a few minor drops along the way as you croos the old streams and brook valleys
Southampton is at the bottom of 2 major chalk stream vallies, the bottom always being considered flat compared to the land either side of the valley, hence Bitterne is sat at the top of a long and steep climb.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: If anyone here thinks Southampton is a hilly place, then they need venture out and see some of the rest of the country. Yes, it has some hills which are killers to get up, but it is not a hilly place overall.[/p][/quote]Bit like Norfolk, mostly flat but when you find an actual hill, you know about.[/p][/quote]Southampton is only flatish on the flood plain, the city walls was built on a hill, once you come of the flood plain its up hill all the way with a few minor drops along the way as you croos the old streams and brook valleys[/p][/quote]Southampton is at the bottom of 2 major chalk stream vallies, the bottom always being considered flat compared to the land either side of the valley, hence Bitterne is sat at the top of a long and steep climb. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 4

2:43pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

TheBeatSurrender wrote:
Moonraker1983 wrote:
I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire? Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.
Witts hill, athelston...pretty much all of midanbury. Anything far from flat lol!
Because they're on the sides of the Itchen valley.
[quote][p][bold]TheBeatSurrender[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire? Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.[/p][/quote]Witts hill, athelston...pretty much all of midanbury. Anything far from flat lol![/p][/quote]Because they're on the sides of the Itchen valley. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

2:48pm Fri 29 Aug 14

downfader says...

Southampton is not hilly. Go to Germany or Switzerland where there are MANY more cyclists than here. They have mountains.

I ride all over, week in week out. The slopes here are not issue for several reasons:

-modern bikes have gears!
-for every hill you climb you can glide down the other side!
-hills here are short, not one in the city is over a mile at a gradient that will trouble you after a few goes.
-and there are plenty of ways to avoid a hill - another side road, or even walking it up (as I see people do on Dale road)
Southampton is not hilly. Go to Germany or Switzerland where there are MANY more cyclists than here. They have mountains. I ride all over, week in week out. The slopes here are not issue for several reasons: -modern bikes have gears! -for every hill you climb you can glide down the other side! -hills here are short, not one in the city is over a mile at a gradient that will trouble you after a few goes. -and there are plenty of ways to avoid a hill - another side road, or even walking it up (as I see people do on Dale road) downfader
  • Score: 2

2:53pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

downfader wrote:
Southampton is not hilly. Go to Germany or Switzerland where there are MANY more cyclists than here. They have mountains.

I ride all over, week in week out. The slopes here are not issue for several reasons:

-modern bikes have gears!
-for every hill you climb you can glide down the other side!
-hills here are short, not one in the city is over a mile at a gradient that will trouble you after a few goes.
-and there are plenty of ways to avoid a hill - another side road, or even walking it up (as I see people do on Dale road)
Indeed. by the time I reach lance's hill to go down it aft climbing up from Muddy bottom allotments, I've got my breath back and am doing about 20mph, then I hit Lance's hill and am doing 30+ before I even hit the speed trap for the camera, I've even overtaken cars going through the speed camera before and I don't even ride a lightweight road bike.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: Southampton is not hilly. Go to Germany or Switzerland where there are MANY more cyclists than here. They have mountains. I ride all over, week in week out. The slopes here are not issue for several reasons: -modern bikes have gears! -for every hill you climb you can glide down the other side! -hills here are short, not one in the city is over a mile at a gradient that will trouble you after a few goes. -and there are plenty of ways to avoid a hill - another side road, or even walking it up (as I see people do on Dale road)[/p][/quote]Indeed. by the time I reach lance's hill to go down it aft climbing up from Muddy bottom allotments, I've got my breath back and am doing about 20mph, then I hit Lance's hill and am doing 30+ before I even hit the speed trap for the camera, I've even overtaken cars going through the speed camera before and I don't even ride a lightweight road bike. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -1

3:03pm Fri 29 Aug 14

downfader says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
downfader wrote:
Southampton is not hilly. Go to Germany or Switzerland where there are MANY more cyclists than here. They have mountains.

I ride all over, week in week out. The slopes here are not issue for several reasons:

-modern bikes have gears!
-for every hill you climb you can glide down the other side!
-hills here are short, not one in the city is over a mile at a gradient that will trouble you after a few goes.
-and there are plenty of ways to avoid a hill - another side road, or even walking it up (as I see people do on Dale road)
Indeed. by the time I reach lance's hill to go down it aft climbing up from Muddy bottom allotments, I've got my breath back and am doing about 20mph, then I hit Lance's hill and am doing 30+ before I even hit the speed trap for the camera, I've even overtaken cars going through the speed camera before and I don't even ride a lightweight road bike.
But the point is even the less experienced riders would benefit from this and have no real issue with "hills"
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: Southampton is not hilly. Go to Germany or Switzerland where there are MANY more cyclists than here. They have mountains. I ride all over, week in week out. The slopes here are not issue for several reasons: -modern bikes have gears! -for every hill you climb you can glide down the other side! -hills here are short, not one in the city is over a mile at a gradient that will trouble you after a few goes. -and there are plenty of ways to avoid a hill - another side road, or even walking it up (as I see people do on Dale road)[/p][/quote]Indeed. by the time I reach lance's hill to go down it aft climbing up from Muddy bottom allotments, I've got my breath back and am doing about 20mph, then I hit Lance's hill and am doing 30+ before I even hit the speed trap for the camera, I've even overtaken cars going through the speed camera before and I don't even ride a lightweight road bike.[/p][/quote]But the point is even the less experienced riders would benefit from this and have no real issue with "hills" downfader
  • Score: -2

3:06pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

downfader wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
downfader wrote:
Southampton is not hilly. Go to Germany or Switzerland where there are MANY more cyclists than here. They have mountains.

I ride all over, week in week out. The slopes here are not issue for several reasons:

-modern bikes have gears!
-for every hill you climb you can glide down the other side!
-hills here are short, not one in the city is over a mile at a gradient that will trouble you after a few goes.
-and there are plenty of ways to avoid a hill - another side road, or even walking it up (as I see people do on Dale road)
Indeed. by the time I reach lance's hill to go down it aft climbing up from Muddy bottom allotments, I've got my breath back and am doing about 20mph, then I hit Lance's hill and am doing 30+ before I even hit the speed trap for the camera, I've even overtaken cars going through the speed camera before and I don't even ride a lightweight road bike.
But the point is even the less experienced riders would benefit from this and have no real issue with "hills"
Agreed, even the "Boris bikes" have gears more suited to low speed which also means nice amounts of torque for hill climbing.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: Southampton is not hilly. Go to Germany or Switzerland where there are MANY more cyclists than here. They have mountains. I ride all over, week in week out. The slopes here are not issue for several reasons: -modern bikes have gears! -for every hill you climb you can glide down the other side! -hills here are short, not one in the city is over a mile at a gradient that will trouble you after a few goes. -and there are plenty of ways to avoid a hill - another side road, or even walking it up (as I see people do on Dale road)[/p][/quote]Indeed. by the time I reach lance's hill to go down it aft climbing up from Muddy bottom allotments, I've got my breath back and am doing about 20mph, then I hit Lance's hill and am doing 30+ before I even hit the speed trap for the camera, I've even overtaken cars going through the speed camera before and I don't even ride a lightweight road bike.[/p][/quote]But the point is even the less experienced riders would benefit from this and have no real issue with "hills"[/p][/quote]Agreed, even the "Boris bikes" have gears more suited to low speed which also means nice amounts of torque for hill climbing. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

4:14pm Fri 29 Aug 14

No one cares what you think says...

1 bicycle + 1 motor = easy hills. It is a hilly place that even has a ski slope!
So that proves it.
What about Mount Pleasant?
1 bicycle + 1 motor = easy hills. It is a hilly place that even has a ski slope! So that proves it. What about Mount Pleasant? No one cares what you think
  • Score: 1

4:54pm Fri 29 Aug 14

magicrat59 says...

Boris has no association with So'ton, so let's go for 'Simon's cycles'.

If bikes were positioned at key entry points to the city, Bassett, Woolston, Redbridge etc. a lot less residents would use their cars and it would be beneficial for the public health of the city too. If park and ride schemes were created people could choose between a bus or a bike to journey into the city centre
Boris has no association with So'ton, so let's go for 'Simon's cycles'. If bikes were positioned at key entry points to the city, Bassett, Woolston, Redbridge etc. a lot less residents would use their cars and it would be beneficial for the public health of the city too. If park and ride schemes were created people could choose between a bus or a bike to journey into the city centre magicrat59
  • Score: 0

5:11pm Fri 29 Aug 14

redsnapper says...

Bike lanes before bikes please. 10 dead already in London this year because bike lines there are hugely inadequate- almost suicidal.
Pretty sure that Southampton's low life would do their best to destroy any initiative like this.
Bike lanes before bikes please. 10 dead already in London this year because bike lines there are hugely inadequate- almost suicidal. Pretty sure that Southampton's low life would do their best to destroy any initiative like this. redsnapper
  • Score: 6

6:26pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
kaido wrote:
Moonraker1983 wrote:
I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire?

Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.
Have you never ventured beyond northam or cobden bridge. Southampton is very hilly once you go beyond those bridges.
I challenge anyone who hasn't ridden up lances hill, to ride up it and NOT say "That was a killer" while panting.
Ask Simon Letts to bike to the ward he represents and count the steep Hills on the way, and then try going to shops top of Warburton Road from Hinkler Road to buy a drink and then meet you on top of the tower block to listen to your complaint about lifts not working!!

Any way to encourage biking has got to be a good decision both for the health of people and also environment, so we should not at all complain about fake socialists of Southampton copying good idea of Tory Boris Johnson.

BUT couple of questions to you:

Don't you think that if the Council is really serious about encouraging push bikes then it should also be providing better and more 'proper' cycle lanes?

What do you think of Council hiring expensive consultants to tell the Councillors how to deal with bikes? Why can't our councillors use their own brains, and if they are really brainless wonders then why can't they ask advice from people like you and cyclist clubs etc?
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kaido[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire? Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.[/p][/quote]Have you never ventured beyond northam or cobden bridge. Southampton is very hilly once you go beyond those bridges.[/p][/quote]I challenge anyone who hasn't ridden up lances hill, to ride up it and NOT say "That was a killer" while panting.[/p][/quote]Ask Simon Letts to bike to the ward he represents and count the steep Hills on the way, and then try going to shops top of Warburton Road from Hinkler Road to buy a drink and then meet you on top of the tower block to listen to your complaint about lifts not working!! Any way to encourage biking has got to be a good decision both for the health of people and also environment, so we should not at all complain about fake socialists of Southampton copying good idea of Tory Boris Johnson. BUT couple of questions to you: Don't you think that if the Council is really serious about encouraging push bikes then it should also be providing better and more 'proper' cycle lanes? What do you think of Council hiring expensive consultants to tell the Councillors how to deal with bikes? Why can't our councillors use their own brains, and if they are really brainless wonders then why can't they ask advice from people like you and cyclist clubs etc? Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 6

7:55pm Fri 29 Aug 14

03alpe01 says...

Mr E wrote:
Has Cllr Simon Letts (Quote 'We are a pretty flat city' ) ever actually rode a bike around Southampton ?

From my memory of Cycling around Southampton, Admittedly a long time ago it was anything but Flat
At least he said Southampton is a flat City! If you catch my drift...
[quote][p][bold]Mr E[/bold] wrote: Has Cllr Simon Letts (Quote 'We are a pretty flat city' ) ever actually rode a bike around Southampton ? From my memory of Cycling around Southampton, Admittedly a long time ago it was anything but Flat[/p][/quote]At least he said Southampton is a flat City! If you catch my drift... 03alpe01
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8:17pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Mr E wrote:
Has Cllr Simon Letts (Quote 'We are a pretty flat city' ) ever actually rode a bike around Southampton ?

From my memory of Cycling around Southampton, Admittedly a long time ago it was anything but Flat
Yes Cllr Simon Letts has been seen on bike few times.
But I am not sure if his cabinet member Cllr. Jacqui Rayment who controls portfolios like roads and environment etc rides bike or not.
[quote][p][bold]Mr E[/bold] wrote: Has Cllr Simon Letts (Quote 'We are a pretty flat city' ) ever actually rode a bike around Southampton ? From my memory of Cycling around Southampton, Admittedly a long time ago it was anything but Flat[/p][/quote]Yes Cllr Simon Letts has been seen on bike few times. But I am not sure if his cabinet member Cllr. Jacqui Rayment who controls portfolios like roads and environment etc rides bike or not. Paramjit Bahia
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8:48pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Bingo from Sholing says...

Is this why the Central Bridge is becoming increasingly difficult to repair?
Is this why the Central Bridge is becoming increasingly difficult to repair? Bingo from Sholing
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9:27pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Micle1974 says...

Do they come with a secure locking system?
I wouldn't want to carry a bike lock around with me, and I wouldn't want to leave the bike outside the shop while I nip in to grab a drink that will be needed after all that cycling...probably won't be outside the shop for long!
Do they come with a secure locking system? I wouldn't want to carry a bike lock around with me, and I wouldn't want to leave the bike outside the shop while I nip in to grab a drink that will be needed after all that cycling...probably won't be outside the shop for long! Micle1974
  • Score: -1

10:58pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Stubs says...

This will just encourage more saddle sniffers .
This will just encourage more saddle sniffers . Stubs
  • Score: 0

11:00pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Micle1974 wrote:
Do they come with a secure locking system?
I wouldn't want to carry a bike lock around with me, and I wouldn't want to leave the bike outside the shop while I nip in to grab a drink that will be needed after all that cycling...probably won't be outside the shop for long!
Because someone would really try and steal something that looks like what granny used to ride all marked up with sponsor details and stuff, would make it nigh on impossible to sell.
[quote][p][bold]Micle1974[/bold] wrote: Do they come with a secure locking system? I wouldn't want to carry a bike lock around with me, and I wouldn't want to leave the bike outside the shop while I nip in to grab a drink that will be needed after all that cycling...probably won't be outside the shop for long![/p][/quote]Because someone would really try and steal something that looks like what granny used to ride all marked up with sponsor details and stuff, would make it nigh on impossible to sell. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

11:02pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Stubs wrote:
This will just encourage more saddle sniffers .
You mean like Geoff?
[quote][p][bold]Stubs[/bold] wrote: This will just encourage more saddle sniffers .[/p][/quote]You mean like Geoff? Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -1

7:09am Sat 30 Aug 14

elvisimo says...

kaido wrote:
Moonraker1983 wrote:
I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire?

Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.
Have you never ventured beyond northam or cobden bridge. Southampton is very hilly once you go beyond those bridges.
Yep it's a bit like the Himalayas
[quote][p][bold]kaido[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire? Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.[/p][/quote]Have you never ventured beyond northam or cobden bridge. Southampton is very hilly once you go beyond those bridges.[/p][/quote]Yep it's a bit like the Himalayas elvisimo
  • Score: 1

7:13am Sat 30 Aug 14

elvisimo says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Stubs wrote:
This will just encourage more saddle sniffers .
You mean like Geoff?
Ah Geoff. He's more of a mobility scooter seat sniffer
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stubs[/bold] wrote: This will just encourage more saddle sniffers .[/p][/quote]You mean like Geoff?[/p][/quote]Ah Geoff. He's more of a mobility scooter seat sniffer elvisimo
  • Score: 1

8:03am Sat 30 Aug 14

downfader says...

redsnapper wrote:
Bike lanes before bikes please. 10 dead already in London this year because bike lines there are hugely inadequate- almost suicidal.
Pretty sure that Southampton's low life would do their best to destroy any initiative like this.
..and none dead in Southampton so far in the same time frame...
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Bike lanes before bikes please. 10 dead already in London this year because bike lines there are hugely inadequate- almost suicidal. Pretty sure that Southampton's low life would do their best to destroy any initiative like this.[/p][/quote]..and none dead in Southampton so far in the same time frame... downfader
  • Score: -1

8:11am Sat 30 Aug 14

downfader says...

elvisimo wrote:
kaido wrote:
Moonraker1983 wrote:
I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire?

Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.
Have you never ventured beyond northam or cobden bridge. Southampton is very hilly once you go beyond those bridges.
Yep it's a bit like the Himalayas
It always makes me laugh how weak people confess to being on here. I ride all over. From Burseldon to Totton. From out by Hedge End to Lordshill.

The hills here are shallow.

In the past my Grandfather used to do the same - he'd ride to work, visit friends across the city. My Nan would do the shopping on a bike. They often didnt travel very far but when they did they never complained.

Most people hiring a Boris Bike will be doing the same. They will undock from the train station, ride to the city centre. Dock the bike, do their shopping and get another bike and head back.

No need for locks.

Some might visit the local attractions. The parks. This is what people do when they visit London and the reasons they hire the bikes there. A lot of workers also hire them to commute as its cheaper than the bus, quicker and more reliable.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kaido[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire? Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.[/p][/quote]Have you never ventured beyond northam or cobden bridge. Southampton is very hilly once you go beyond those bridges.[/p][/quote]Yep it's a bit like the Himalayas[/p][/quote]It always makes me laugh how weak people confess to being on here. I ride all over. From Burseldon to Totton. From out by Hedge End to Lordshill. The hills here are shallow. In the past my Grandfather used to do the same - he'd ride to work, visit friends across the city. My Nan would do the shopping on a bike. They often didnt travel very far but when they did they never complained. Most people hiring a Boris Bike will be doing the same. They will undock from the train station, ride to the city centre. Dock the bike, do their shopping and get another bike and head back. No need for locks. Some might visit the local attractions. The parks. This is what people do when they visit London and the reasons they hire the bikes there. A lot of workers also hire them to commute as its cheaper than the bus, quicker and more reliable. downfader
  • Score: 0

9:42am Sat 30 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
kaido wrote:
Moonraker1983 wrote:
I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire?

Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.
Have you never ventured beyond northam or cobden bridge. Southampton is very hilly once you go beyond those bridges.
I challenge anyone who hasn't ridden up lances hill, to ride up it and NOT say "That was a killer" while panting.
Get on a bus then
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kaido[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire? Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.[/p][/quote]Have you never ventured beyond northam or cobden bridge. Southampton is very hilly once you go beyond those bridges.[/p][/quote]I challenge anyone who hasn't ridden up lances hill, to ride up it and NOT say "That was a killer" while panting.[/p][/quote]Get on a bus then forest hump
  • Score: 2

9:50am Sat 30 Aug 14

forest hump says...

magicrat59 wrote:
Boris has no association with So'ton, so let's go for 'Simon's cycles'.

If bikes were positioned at key entry points to the city, Bassett, Woolston, Redbridge etc. a lot less residents would use their cars and it would be beneficial for the public health of the city too. If park and ride schemes were created people could choose between a bus or a bike to journey into the city centre
No they would not. Unless there a significant cost saving, the majority of people will choose to remain in their vehicles. Unfortunately, the majority of park and ride schemes I have seen are not that advantageous from a cost perspective. Also, councils' have an inherent interest in robbing blind the motorists. And before all you morons say ride a bike, it is not suitable for most.
[quote][p][bold]magicrat59[/bold] wrote: Boris has no association with So'ton, so let's go for 'Simon's cycles'. If bikes were positioned at key entry points to the city, Bassett, Woolston, Redbridge etc. a lot less residents would use their cars and it would be beneficial for the public health of the city too. If park and ride schemes were created people could choose between a bus or a bike to journey into the city centre[/p][/quote]No they would not. Unless there a significant cost saving, the majority of people will choose to remain in their vehicles. Unfortunately, the majority of park and ride schemes I have seen are not that advantageous from a cost perspective. Also, councils' have an inherent interest in robbing blind the motorists. And before all you morons say ride a bike, it is not suitable for most. forest hump
  • Score: 0

9:55am Sat 30 Aug 14

forest hump says...

southy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
If anyone here thinks Southampton is a hilly place, then they need venture out and see some of the rest of the country.

Yes, it has some hills which are killers to get up, but it is not a hilly place overall.
Bit like Norfolk, mostly flat but when you find an actual hill, you know about.
Southampton is only flatish on the flood plain, the city walls was built on a hill, once you come of the flood plain its up hill all the way with a few minor drops along the way as you croos the old streams and brook valleys
Built on a hill? So that is why water used to lap against the city walls? Can hardly be called a hill. Bit similar to the French 1/4 in New Orleans which is built on a small bluff.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: If anyone here thinks Southampton is a hilly place, then they need venture out and see some of the rest of the country. Yes, it has some hills which are killers to get up, but it is not a hilly place overall.[/p][/quote]Bit like Norfolk, mostly flat but when you find an actual hill, you know about.[/p][/quote]Southampton is only flatish on the flood plain, the city walls was built on a hill, once you come of the flood plain its up hill all the way with a few minor drops along the way as you croos the old streams and brook valleys[/p][/quote]Built on a hill? So that is why water used to lap against the city walls? Can hardly be called a hill. Bit similar to the French 1/4 in New Orleans which is built on a small bluff. forest hump
  • Score: 1

9:59am Sat 30 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Bingo from Sholing wrote:
Is this why the Central Bridge is becoming increasingly difficult to repair?
Central Bridge is old. Like old people, difficult to repair.
[quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: Is this why the Central Bridge is becoming increasingly difficult to repair?[/p][/quote]Central Bridge is old. Like old people, difficult to repair. forest hump
  • Score: -1

11:09am Sat 30 Aug 14

downfader says...

forest hump wrote:
magicrat59 wrote:
Boris has no association with So'ton, so let's go for 'Simon's cycles'.

If bikes were positioned at key entry points to the city, Bassett, Woolston, Redbridge etc. a lot less residents would use their cars and it would be beneficial for the public health of the city too. If park and ride schemes were created people could choose between a bus or a bike to journey into the city centre
No they would not. Unless there a significant cost saving, the majority of people will choose to remain in their vehicles. Unfortunately, the majority of park and ride schemes I have seen are not that advantageous from a cost perspective. Also, councils' have an inherent interest in robbing blind the motorists. And before all you morons say ride a bike, it is not suitable for most.
Prove that its not suitable for most. You call us morons but you havent proven your own case

I went through Southampton City Council statistics yesterday whilst researching something and discovered a table:
https://twitter.com/
Downfader/status/505
433354356137984/phot
o/1

It shows that only 10% of the population have any where near any kind of a job where they might need to drive. The Governments own statistics show the average trip in a car is 7 miles. They also show that over half of those are for less than 5 miles.

1% of all domestic drivers are disabled. So they're the ones with any real kind of an excuse.

This is all easy stuff to find out as its in documents like the 2011 Census.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]magicrat59[/bold] wrote: Boris has no association with So'ton, so let's go for 'Simon's cycles'. If bikes were positioned at key entry points to the city, Bassett, Woolston, Redbridge etc. a lot less residents would use their cars and it would be beneficial for the public health of the city too. If park and ride schemes were created people could choose between a bus or a bike to journey into the city centre[/p][/quote]No they would not. Unless there a significant cost saving, the majority of people will choose to remain in their vehicles. Unfortunately, the majority of park and ride schemes I have seen are not that advantageous from a cost perspective. Also, councils' have an inherent interest in robbing blind the motorists. And before all you morons say ride a bike, it is not suitable for most.[/p][/quote]Prove that its not suitable for most. You call us morons but you havent proven your own case I went through Southampton City Council statistics yesterday whilst researching something and discovered a table: https://twitter.com/ Downfader/status/505 433354356137984/phot o/1 It shows that only 10% of the population have any where near any kind of a job where they might need to drive. The Governments own statistics show the average trip in a car is 7 miles. They also show that over half of those are for less than 5 miles. 1% of all domestic drivers are disabled. So they're the ones with any real kind of an excuse. This is all easy stuff to find out as its in documents like the 2011 Census. downfader
  • Score: 1

11:43am Sat 30 Aug 14

Torchie1 says...

downfader wrote:
forest hump wrote:
magicrat59 wrote:
Boris has no association with So'ton, so let's go for 'Simon's cycles'.

If bikes were positioned at key entry points to the city, Bassett, Woolston, Redbridge etc. a lot less residents would use their cars and it would be beneficial for the public health of the city too. If park and ride schemes were created people could choose between a bus or a bike to journey into the city centre
No they would not. Unless there a significant cost saving, the majority of people will choose to remain in their vehicles. Unfortunately, the majority of park and ride schemes I have seen are not that advantageous from a cost perspective. Also, councils' have an inherent interest in robbing blind the motorists. And before all you morons say ride a bike, it is not suitable for most.
Prove that its not suitable for most. You call us morons but you havent proven your own case

I went through Southampton City Council statistics yesterday whilst researching something and discovered a table:
https://twitter.com/

Downfader/status/505

433354356137984/phot

o/1

It shows that only 10% of the population have any where near any kind of a job where they might need to drive. The Governments own statistics show the average trip in a car is 7 miles. They also show that over half of those are for less than 5 miles.

1% of all domestic drivers are disabled. So they're the ones with any real kind of an excuse.

This is all easy stuff to find out as its in documents like the 2011 Census.
The table may show the drivers proximity to their job but not to their chosen shopping venue, their friends and relations dwellings, their choice of domestic holiday destination etc etc etc. It may be of limited use for a sales rep but what use is it for a truck driver, a pensioner, or for someone who doesn't work like a mother? Not really much use after all, is it?.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]magicrat59[/bold] wrote: Boris has no association with So'ton, so let's go for 'Simon's cycles'. If bikes were positioned at key entry points to the city, Bassett, Woolston, Redbridge etc. a lot less residents would use their cars and it would be beneficial for the public health of the city too. If park and ride schemes were created people could choose between a bus or a bike to journey into the city centre[/p][/quote]No they would not. Unless there a significant cost saving, the majority of people will choose to remain in their vehicles. Unfortunately, the majority of park and ride schemes I have seen are not that advantageous from a cost perspective. Also, councils' have an inherent interest in robbing blind the motorists. And before all you morons say ride a bike, it is not suitable for most.[/p][/quote]Prove that its not suitable for most. You call us morons but you havent proven your own case I went through Southampton City Council statistics yesterday whilst researching something and discovered a table: https://twitter.com/ Downfader/status/505 433354356137984/phot o/1 It shows that only 10% of the population have any where near any kind of a job where they might need to drive. The Governments own statistics show the average trip in a car is 7 miles. They also show that over half of those are for less than 5 miles. 1% of all domestic drivers are disabled. So they're the ones with any real kind of an excuse. This is all easy stuff to find out as its in documents like the 2011 Census.[/p][/quote]The table may show the drivers proximity to their job but not to their chosen shopping venue, their friends and relations dwellings, their choice of domestic holiday destination etc etc etc. It may be of limited use for a sales rep but what use is it for a truck driver, a pensioner, or for someone who doesn't work like a mother? Not really much use after all, is it?. Torchie1
  • Score: 1

11:48am Sat 30 Aug 14

good-gosh says...

I am happy to cycle if a) it’s a nice day. b) I'm not going much more than 5 miles, c) I don’t have to carry anything, d) I'm not in a hurry and d) I feel like the exertion. Unfortunately all these conditions rarely exist but when they do, I usually walk.
I am happy to cycle if a) it’s a nice day. b) I'm not going much more than 5 miles, c) I don’t have to carry anything, d) I'm not in a hurry and d) I feel like the exertion. Unfortunately all these conditions rarely exist but when they do, I usually walk. good-gosh
  • Score: 0

12:43pm Sat 30 Aug 14

downfader says...

Torchie1 wrote:
downfader wrote:
forest hump wrote:
magicrat59 wrote:
Boris has no association with So'ton, so let's go for 'Simon's cycles'.

If bikes were positioned at key entry points to the city, Bassett, Woolston, Redbridge etc. a lot less residents would use their cars and it would be beneficial for the public health of the city too. If park and ride schemes were created people could choose between a bus or a bike to journey into the city centre
No they would not. Unless there a significant cost saving, the majority of people will choose to remain in their vehicles. Unfortunately, the majority of park and ride schemes I have seen are not that advantageous from a cost perspective. Also, councils' have an inherent interest in robbing blind the motorists. And before all you morons say ride a bike, it is not suitable for most.
Prove that its not suitable for most. You call us morons but you havent proven your own case

I went through Southampton City Council statistics yesterday whilst researching something and discovered a table:
https://twitter.com/


Downfader/status/505


433354356137984/phot


o/1

It shows that only 10% of the population have any where near any kind of a job where they might need to drive. The Governments own statistics show the average trip in a car is 7 miles. They also show that over half of those are for less than 5 miles.

1% of all domestic drivers are disabled. So they're the ones with any real kind of an excuse.

This is all easy stuff to find out as its in documents like the 2011 Census.
The table may show the drivers proximity to their job but not to their chosen shopping venue, their friends and relations dwellings, their choice of domestic holiday destination etc etc etc. It may be of limited use for a sales rep but what use is it for a truck driver, a pensioner, or for someone who doesn't work like a mother? Not really much use after all, is it?.
Thats not really proving the suggestion of "not suitable for most" either.

There are 52,000 daily motoring trips in Southampton. Are you really telling me that a high enough proportion of those are pensioners? Or holiday makers? Or that these people are doing large shopping trips every single day...

...hurrah! The economy must have been saved, LMAO!

The problem is the data will show that drivers are creating the very problems they complain about. Many of these people CAN avoid it. If you disagree you have to show me and others.

Evidence, please?
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]magicrat59[/bold] wrote: Boris has no association with So'ton, so let's go for 'Simon's cycles'. If bikes were positioned at key entry points to the city, Bassett, Woolston, Redbridge etc. a lot less residents would use their cars and it would be beneficial for the public health of the city too. If park and ride schemes were created people could choose between a bus or a bike to journey into the city centre[/p][/quote]No they would not. Unless there a significant cost saving, the majority of people will choose to remain in their vehicles. Unfortunately, the majority of park and ride schemes I have seen are not that advantageous from a cost perspective. Also, councils' have an inherent interest in robbing blind the motorists. And before all you morons say ride a bike, it is not suitable for most.[/p][/quote]Prove that its not suitable for most. You call us morons but you havent proven your own case I went through Southampton City Council statistics yesterday whilst researching something and discovered a table: https://twitter.com/ Downfader/status/505 433354356137984/phot o/1 It shows that only 10% of the population have any where near any kind of a job where they might need to drive. The Governments own statistics show the average trip in a car is 7 miles. They also show that over half of those are for less than 5 miles. 1% of all domestic drivers are disabled. So they're the ones with any real kind of an excuse. This is all easy stuff to find out as its in documents like the 2011 Census.[/p][/quote]The table may show the drivers proximity to their job but not to their chosen shopping venue, their friends and relations dwellings, their choice of domestic holiday destination etc etc etc. It may be of limited use for a sales rep but what use is it for a truck driver, a pensioner, or for someone who doesn't work like a mother? Not really much use after all, is it?.[/p][/quote]Thats not really proving the suggestion of "not suitable for most" either. There are 52,000 daily motoring trips in Southampton. Are you really telling me that a high enough proportion of those are pensioners? Or holiday makers? Or that these people are doing large shopping trips every single day... ...hurrah! The economy must have been saved, LMAO! The problem is the data will show that drivers are creating the very problems they complain about. Many of these people CAN avoid it. If you disagree you have to show me and others. Evidence, please? downfader
  • Score: -2

1:13pm Sat 30 Aug 14

southy says...

forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
If anyone here thinks Southampton is a hilly place, then they need venture out and see some of the rest of the country.

Yes, it has some hills which are killers to get up, but it is not a hilly place overall.
Bit like Norfolk, mostly flat but when you find an actual hill, you know about.
Southampton is only flatish on the flood plain, the city walls was built on a hill, once you come of the flood plain its up hill all the way with a few minor drops along the way as you croos the old streams and brook valleys
Built on a hill? So that is why water used to lap against the city walls? Can hardly be called a hill. Bit similar to the French 1/4 in New Orleans which is built on a small bluff.
Yes it was 3 hills in-all, when you pass the town walls you are going up hill, the appouch to the Bargate end there is shallow incline, 3 sides of the old town walls was built at the bottom of the hills along the high tide line, while 1 side was built on rising hill side and the Bargate built on the top of the hill. The Keep was also built ontop a hill and was also built up even higher so those at the top of the keep could see all the city walls and its approaches.
If you really look hard The town walls are built on the end of ridge peninsula with its higher points and a shallow dip between the Bargate and London road, or just go there on a really hard rainy day and watch which way the rain water flows, Even low you can see the 3 hills any long because over time the land as risen that bit more over the century's but there are still poniters to show where the top of the hills used to be, If you stand by the Train Station entrance and look towards the Civic Center it will give you a good idea how high up that ridge peninsula is from high water level also standing here at this point of time is a few feet higher than it was as this was all salt marsh that use to get covered at high tide 300 years ago
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: If anyone here thinks Southampton is a hilly place, then they need venture out and see some of the rest of the country. Yes, it has some hills which are killers to get up, but it is not a hilly place overall.[/p][/quote]Bit like Norfolk, mostly flat but when you find an actual hill, you know about.[/p][/quote]Southampton is only flatish on the flood plain, the city walls was built on a hill, once you come of the flood plain its up hill all the way with a few minor drops along the way as you croos the old streams and brook valleys[/p][/quote]Built on a hill? So that is why water used to lap against the city walls? Can hardly be called a hill. Bit similar to the French 1/4 in New Orleans which is built on a small bluff.[/p][/quote]Yes it was 3 hills in-all, when you pass the town walls you are going up hill, the appouch to the Bargate end there is shallow incline, 3 sides of the old town walls was built at the bottom of the hills along the high tide line, while 1 side was built on rising hill side and the Bargate built on the top of the hill. The Keep was also built ontop a hill and was also built up even higher so those at the top of the keep could see all the city walls and its approaches. If you really look hard The town walls are built on the end of ridge peninsula with its higher points and a shallow dip between the Bargate and London road, or just go there on a really hard rainy day and watch which way the rain water flows, Even low you can see the 3 hills any long because over time the land as risen that bit more over the century's but there are still poniters to show where the top of the hills used to be, If you stand by the Train Station entrance and look towards the Civic Center it will give you a good idea how high up that ridge peninsula is from high water level also standing here at this point of time is a few feet higher than it was as this was all salt marsh that use to get covered at high tide 300 years ago southy
  • Score: -2

1:45pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Torchie1 says...

downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
downfader wrote:
forest hump wrote:
magicrat59 wrote:
Boris has no association with So'ton, so let's go for 'Simon's cycles'.

If bikes were positioned at key entry points to the city, Bassett, Woolston, Redbridge etc. a lot less residents would use their cars and it would be beneficial for the public health of the city too. If park and ride schemes were created people could choose between a bus or a bike to journey into the city centre
No they would not. Unless there a significant cost saving, the majority of people will choose to remain in their vehicles. Unfortunately, the majority of park and ride schemes I have seen are not that advantageous from a cost perspective. Also, councils' have an inherent interest in robbing blind the motorists. And before all you morons say ride a bike, it is not suitable for most.
Prove that its not suitable for most. You call us morons but you havent proven your own case

I went through Southampton City Council statistics yesterday whilst researching something and discovered a table:
https://twitter.com/



Downfader/status/505



433354356137984/phot



o/1

It shows that only 10% of the population have any where near any kind of a job where they might need to drive. The Governments own statistics show the average trip in a car is 7 miles. They also show that over half of those are for less than 5 miles.

1% of all domestic drivers are disabled. So they're the ones with any real kind of an excuse.

This is all easy stuff to find out as its in documents like the 2011 Census.
The table may show the drivers proximity to their job but not to their chosen shopping venue, their friends and relations dwellings, their choice of domestic holiday destination etc etc etc. It may be of limited use for a sales rep but what use is it for a truck driver, a pensioner, or for someone who doesn't work like a mother? Not really much use after all, is it?.
Thats not really proving the suggestion of "not suitable for most" either.

There are 52,000 daily motoring trips in Southampton. Are you really telling me that a high enough proportion of those are pensioners? Or holiday makers? Or that these people are doing large shopping trips every single day...

...hurrah! The economy must have been saved, LMAO!

The problem is the data will show that drivers are creating the very problems they complain about. Many of these people CAN avoid it. If you disagree you have to show me and others.

Evidence, please?
Let's just call it freedom of choice where figures show that a mere 3% of journeys are completed on a bicycle and I'll leave you to work out the rest.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]magicrat59[/bold] wrote: Boris has no association with So'ton, so let's go for 'Simon's cycles'. If bikes were positioned at key entry points to the city, Bassett, Woolston, Redbridge etc. a lot less residents would use their cars and it would be beneficial for the public health of the city too. If park and ride schemes were created people could choose between a bus or a bike to journey into the city centre[/p][/quote]No they would not. Unless there a significant cost saving, the majority of people will choose to remain in their vehicles. Unfortunately, the majority of park and ride schemes I have seen are not that advantageous from a cost perspective. Also, councils' have an inherent interest in robbing blind the motorists. And before all you morons say ride a bike, it is not suitable for most.[/p][/quote]Prove that its not suitable for most. You call us morons but you havent proven your own case I went through Southampton City Council statistics yesterday whilst researching something and discovered a table: https://twitter.com/ Downfader/status/505 433354356137984/phot o/1 It shows that only 10% of the population have any where near any kind of a job where they might need to drive. The Governments own statistics show the average trip in a car is 7 miles. They also show that over half of those are for less than 5 miles. 1% of all domestic drivers are disabled. So they're the ones with any real kind of an excuse. This is all easy stuff to find out as its in documents like the 2011 Census.[/p][/quote]The table may show the drivers proximity to their job but not to their chosen shopping venue, their friends and relations dwellings, their choice of domestic holiday destination etc etc etc. It may be of limited use for a sales rep but what use is it for a truck driver, a pensioner, or for someone who doesn't work like a mother? Not really much use after all, is it?.[/p][/quote]Thats not really proving the suggestion of "not suitable for most" either. There are 52,000 daily motoring trips in Southampton. Are you really telling me that a high enough proportion of those are pensioners? Or holiday makers? Or that these people are doing large shopping trips every single day... ...hurrah! The economy must have been saved, LMAO! The problem is the data will show that drivers are creating the very problems they complain about. Many of these people CAN avoid it. If you disagree you have to show me and others. Evidence, please?[/p][/quote]Let's just call it freedom of choice where figures show that a mere 3% of journeys are completed on a bicycle and I'll leave you to work out the rest. Torchie1
  • Score: -2

1:52pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Dan Soton says...

Strike one for Southampton's bike hire scheme


Odd but true

A study showed... Bike hire cyclists are typically unhelmeted, include tourists and others unfamiliar with central London’s roads – and are three times less likely to be injured per trip than other cyclists in London as a whole, possibly due to motorists giving cycle hire users more road space than they do other cyclists..


http://rdrf.org.uk/2
012/08/17/disaster-w
aiting-to-happen-the
-london-bike-hire-sc
heme-and-why-bradley
-wiggins-was-so-wron
g-part-fou



,,
Strike one for Southampton's bike hire scheme Odd but true A study showed... Bike hire cyclists are typically unhelmeted, include tourists and others unfamiliar with central London’s roads – and are three times less likely to be injured per trip than other cyclists in London as a whole, possibly due to motorists giving cycle hire users more road space than they do other cyclists.. http://rdrf.org.uk/2 012/08/17/disaster-w aiting-to-happen-the -london-bike-hire-sc heme-and-why-bradley -wiggins-was-so-wron g-part-fou ,, Dan Soton
  • Score: 4

3:59pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

forest hump wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
kaido wrote:
Moonraker1983 wrote:
I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire?

Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.
Have you never ventured beyond northam or cobden bridge. Southampton is very hilly once you go beyond those bridges.
I challenge anyone who hasn't ridden up lances hill, to ride up it and NOT say "That was a killer" while panting.
Get on a bus then
Why? It's still quicker for me to cycle home from town than to get the bus, quite often, I've left town at the same time as one bus and caught up with the one that left before it.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kaido[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I thought there was already a cycle hire thing at Central Station? Whats the usage stats for those? Is there demand for cycle hire? Southampton is pretty flat, slight incline heading north up hill lane/avenue, a few inclines around central station and going over Northam Bridge. Certainly nothing oversteep that you'd consider a hill. And thats from someone who has commuted every day on a bike for the last 7 years.[/p][/quote]Have you never ventured beyond northam or cobden bridge. Southampton is very hilly once you go beyond those bridges.[/p][/quote]I challenge anyone who hasn't ridden up lances hill, to ride up it and NOT say "That was a killer" while panting.[/p][/quote]Get on a bus then[/p][/quote]Why? It's still quicker for me to cycle home from town than to get the bus, quite often, I've left town at the same time as one bus and caught up with the one that left before it. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

4:36pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Tulyar says...

Take a look at the Glasgow scheme - outperforming London figures in its first month, just 260 bikes but past 15,000 hires already and over 20 subscribers per bike.

Bikes might be underwritten by large organisations with a major cost in providing car parking (those free spaces cost someone typically £2000/year in maintenance, lost opportunity costs, land purchase etc).

The University of Greenwich pays the charges so that staff and students get free use of the bikes as an alternative to attempting to provide an intensive inter-site transport system at a much lower cost, and greater flexibility/level of service than could be offered by a minibus (costing a huge amount to operate) Think of all the other places in Southampton locked in a sea of cars, jamming the roads at start and finish of shifts, and then sitting idle in the car parks for the working day.....

Go try out a Nextbike in Bath or Glasgow, they fairly fly along, or sample the Hourbike systems (Reading, Liverpool), and if NFNPA had agreed you could have tried the B-Cycle Trek bikes.

Alternatively you might want to hire the folding Bromptons already available from Southampton Central Station. These are Bike Hire and NOT Bike Share sn do you hire for days, weeks, and even months at a time, with a £2.50/day regular user hire rate. Many rail commuters are cutting £,000's from their annual commuting bill, by hiring a Brompton. Save typically £1000/year by not needing a car park space (or a car to leave there for 9-10 hours/day), save c.£1200/year by not needing to use tube or bus in London, and at the same time cut 30-60 minutes off the door to desk journey time in each direction. Take the Brompton on the fast ferries (a very short bike ride from the Town Quay to Central Station) to Cowes and Hythe and potentially you'll manage Cowes to London in around 2 hours - Perhaps a race sometime?
Take a look at the Glasgow scheme - outperforming London figures in its first month, just 260 bikes but past 15,000 hires already and over 20 subscribers per bike. Bikes might be underwritten by large organisations with a major cost in providing car parking (those free spaces cost someone typically £2000/year in maintenance, lost opportunity costs, land purchase etc). The University of Greenwich pays the charges so that staff and students get free use of the bikes as an alternative to attempting to provide an intensive inter-site transport system at a much lower cost, and greater flexibility/level of service than could be offered by a minibus (costing a huge amount to operate) Think of all the other places in Southampton locked in a sea of cars, jamming the roads at start and finish of shifts, and then sitting idle in the car parks for the working day..... Go try out a Nextbike in Bath or Glasgow, they fairly fly along, or sample the Hourbike systems (Reading, Liverpool), and if NFNPA had agreed you could have tried the B-Cycle Trek bikes. Alternatively you might want to hire the folding Bromptons already available from Southampton Central Station. These are Bike Hire and NOT Bike Share sn do you hire for days, weeks, and even months at a time, with a £2.50/day regular user hire rate. Many rail commuters are cutting £,000's from their annual commuting bill, by hiring a Brompton. Save typically £1000/year by not needing a car park space (or a car to leave there for 9-10 hours/day), save c.£1200/year by not needing to use tube or bus in London, and at the same time cut 30-60 minutes off the door to desk journey time in each direction. Take the Brompton on the fast ferries (a very short bike ride from the Town Quay to Central Station) to Cowes and Hythe and potentially you'll manage Cowes to London in around 2 hours - Perhaps a race sometime? Tulyar
  • Score: 2

4:39pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Tulyar says...

PS Glasgow is not exactly flat - it has drumlins rising 40-50 metres up from the Clyde around 1 Km from the river banks. Southampton is 'flat' by comparison.
PS Glasgow is not exactly flat - it has drumlins rising 40-50 metres up from the Clyde around 1 Km from the river banks. Southampton is 'flat' by comparison. Tulyar
  • Score: 2

5:23pm Sat 30 Aug 14

downfader says...

Torchie1 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
downfader wrote:
forest hump wrote:
magicrat59 wrote:
Boris has no association with So'ton, so let's go for 'Simon's cycles'.

If bikes were positioned at key entry points to the city, Bassett, Woolston, Redbridge etc. a lot less residents would use their cars and it would be beneficial for the public health of the city too. If park and ride schemes were created people could choose between a bus or a bike to journey into the city centre
No they would not. Unless there a significant cost saving, the majority of people will choose to remain in their vehicles. Unfortunately, the majority of park and ride schemes I have seen are not that advantageous from a cost perspective. Also, councils' have an inherent interest in robbing blind the motorists. And before all you morons say ride a bike, it is not suitable for most.
Prove that its not suitable for most. You call us morons but you havent proven your own case

I went through Southampton City Council statistics yesterday whilst researching something and discovered a table:
https://twitter.com/




Downfader/status/505




433354356137984/phot




o/1

It shows that only 10% of the population have any where near any kind of a job where they might need to drive. The Governments own statistics show the average trip in a car is 7 miles. They also show that over half of those are for less than 5 miles.

1% of all domestic drivers are disabled. So they're the ones with any real kind of an excuse.

This is all easy stuff to find out as its in documents like the 2011 Census.
The table may show the drivers proximity to their job but not to their chosen shopping venue, their friends and relations dwellings, their choice of domestic holiday destination etc etc etc. It may be of limited use for a sales rep but what use is it for a truck driver, a pensioner, or for someone who doesn't work like a mother? Not really much use after all, is it?.
Thats not really proving the suggestion of "not suitable for most" either.

There are 52,000 daily motoring trips in Southampton. Are you really telling me that a high enough proportion of those are pensioners? Or holiday makers? Or that these people are doing large shopping trips every single day...

...hurrah! The economy must have been saved, LMAO!

The problem is the data will show that drivers are creating the very problems they complain about. Many of these people CAN avoid it. If you disagree you have to show me and others.

Evidence, please?
Let's just call it freedom of choice where figures show that a mere 3% of journeys are completed on a bicycle and I'll leave you to work out the rest.
Choice is not need.

I have a right to burn stuff in my garden every night. Doesnt mean I should.
I have a right to cram my face with cream cakes and expect the taxpayer to pick up the tab, doesnt mean I should.

We dont need to do a lot of things but sometimes what we want/do affects others, affects local services. And affects our taxation more broadly.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]magicrat59[/bold] wrote: Boris has no association with So'ton, so let's go for 'Simon's cycles'. If bikes were positioned at key entry points to the city, Bassett, Woolston, Redbridge etc. a lot less residents would use their cars and it would be beneficial for the public health of the city too. If park and ride schemes were created people could choose between a bus or a bike to journey into the city centre[/p][/quote]No they would not. Unless there a significant cost saving, the majority of people will choose to remain in their vehicles. Unfortunately, the majority of park and ride schemes I have seen are not that advantageous from a cost perspective. Also, councils' have an inherent interest in robbing blind the motorists. And before all you morons say ride a bike, it is not suitable for most.[/p][/quote]Prove that its not suitable for most. You call us morons but you havent proven your own case I went through Southampton City Council statistics yesterday whilst researching something and discovered a table: https://twitter.com/ Downfader/status/505 433354356137984/phot o/1 It shows that only 10% of the population have any where near any kind of a job where they might need to drive. The Governments own statistics show the average trip in a car is 7 miles. They also show that over half of those are for less than 5 miles. 1% of all domestic drivers are disabled. So they're the ones with any real kind of an excuse. This is all easy stuff to find out as its in documents like the 2011 Census.[/p][/quote]The table may show the drivers proximity to their job but not to their chosen shopping venue, their friends and relations dwellings, their choice of domestic holiday destination etc etc etc. It may be of limited use for a sales rep but what use is it for a truck driver, a pensioner, or for someone who doesn't work like a mother? Not really much use after all, is it?.[/p][/quote]Thats not really proving the suggestion of "not suitable for most" either. There are 52,000 daily motoring trips in Southampton. Are you really telling me that a high enough proportion of those are pensioners? Or holiday makers? Or that these people are doing large shopping trips every single day... ...hurrah! The economy must have been saved, LMAO! The problem is the data will show that drivers are creating the very problems they complain about. Many of these people CAN avoid it. If you disagree you have to show me and others. Evidence, please?[/p][/quote]Let's just call it freedom of choice where figures show that a mere 3% of journeys are completed on a bicycle and I'll leave you to work out the rest.[/p][/quote]Choice is not need. I have a right to burn stuff in my garden every night. Doesnt mean I should. I have a right to cram my face with cream cakes and expect the taxpayer to pick up the tab, doesnt mean I should. We dont need to do a lot of things but sometimes what we want/do affects others, affects local services. And affects our taxation more broadly. downfader
  • Score: -1

5:41pm Sat 30 Aug 14

forest hump says...

downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
downfader wrote:
forest hump wrote:
magicrat59 wrote:
Boris has no association with So'ton, so let's go for 'Simon's cycles'.

If bikes were positioned at key entry points to the city, Bassett, Woolston, Redbridge etc. a lot less residents would use their cars and it would be beneficial for the public health of the city too. If park and ride schemes were created people could choose between a bus or a bike to journey into the city centreNo they would not. Unless there a significant cost saving, the majority of people will choose to remain in their vehicles. Unfortunately, the majority of park and ride schemes I have seen are not that advantageous from a cost perspective. Also, councils' have an inherent interest in robbing blind the motorists. And before all you morons say ride a bike, it is not suitable for most.Prove that its not suitable for most. You call us morons but you havent proven your own case

I went through Southampton City Council statistics yesterday whilst researching something and discovered a table:
https://twitter.com/





Downfader/status/505
You don't need to spout drivel on this site but you do.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]magicrat59[/bold] wrote: Boris has no association with So'ton, so let's go for 'Simon's cycles'. If bikes were positioned at key entry points to the city, Bassett, Woolston, Redbridge etc. a lot less residents would use their cars and it would be beneficial for the public health of the city too. If park and ride schemes were created people could choose between a bus or a bike to journey into the city centre[/p][/quote]No they would not. Unless there a significant cost saving, the majority of people will choose to remain in their vehicles. Unfortunately, the majority of park and ride schemes I have seen are not that advantageous from a cost perspective. Also, councils' have an inherent interest in robbing blind the motorists. And before all you morons say ride a bike, it is not suitable for most.[/p][/quote]Prove that its not suitable for most. You call us morons but you havent proven your own case I went through Southampton City Council statistics yesterday whilst researching something and discovered a table: https://twitter.com/ Downfader/status/505 You don't need to spout drivel on this site but you do. forest hump
  • Score: -2

8:00pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Strike one for Southampton's bike hire scheme


Odd but true

A study showed... Bike hire cyclists are typically unhelmeted, include tourists and others unfamiliar with central London’s roads – and are three times less likely to be injured per trip than other cyclists in London as a whole, possibly due to motorists giving cycle hire users more road space than they do other cyclists..


http://rdrf.org.uk/2

012/08/17/disaster-w

aiting-to-happen-the

-london-bike-hire-sc

heme-and-why-bradley

-wiggins-was-so-wron

g-part-fou



,,
,,

Strike two... electric bikes avalable to hire at all the cities car parks..



Excellent scheme, electric bikes with panniers, encouraging car driving shoppers into Southampton...


If Scottish and Southern Energy have funds for (£40,000) Inverness's electric bike hire scheme WHY NOT Southampton ?




CARBON CLEVER CYCLES SCHEME LAUNCHES IN INVERNESS

18 Aug 2014

electric bike hire scheme launchesA new pilot electric bike hire scheme has been launched in Inverness . Carbon CLEVER Cycles is a collaborative project between The Highland Council, Co-wheels car club and SSE which allows users to hire an e-bike from two convenient locations in Inverness, at Falcon Square and Council Headquarters at Glenurquhart Road.

The project is part of the Council’s vision and commitment to make Inverness carbon neutral by 2025.

There are 12 e-bikes available for hire (6 at each location), with rentals starting at £1.75 per hour. An e-bike is a bicycle with an electric motor which provides power-assistance when pedalling, providing users with the confidence to tackle hills, headwinds and busy junctions with ease.

CYCLISTS WILL BE PROVIDED WITH A HELMET, HI-VIS VEST, PANNIERS, BIKE LOCK, AND 13AMP PORTABLE CHARGER. A PUMP IS ALSO AVAILABLE IN EACH LOCKER.

The scheme will be operated by Co-wheels car club and users are required to register via their website in order to hire an e-bike.

Funding for the project was provided by SSE (£40,000), with contributions from The Highland Council (£10,000) and Inverness Common Good Fund (£5,000).

George Baxter, Head of Development Strategy, SSE said: "We're delighted to be supporting the Carbon CLEVER initiative to help Inverness reach its goal of becoming carbon neutral. THE NEW E-BIKE LOCKERS HAVE NOW BEEN INSTALLED AND THE PEOPLE OF INVERNESS CAN NOW TRY OUT THESE TOP-OF-THE-RANGE E-BIKES. Some of my colleagues in our Inverness office have already tested them out and were very impressed so I'm sure residents and visitors to the Highland Capital will enjoy using them too."

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http://www.highland.
gov.uk/news/article/
7766/carbon_clever_c
ycles_scheme_launche
s_in_inverness


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[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Strike one for Southampton's bike hire scheme Odd but true A study showed... Bike hire cyclists are typically unhelmeted, include tourists and others unfamiliar with central London’s roads – and are three times less likely to be injured per trip than other cyclists in London as a whole, possibly due to motorists giving cycle hire users more road space than they do other cyclists.. http://rdrf.org.uk/2 012/08/17/disaster-w aiting-to-happen-the -london-bike-hire-sc heme-and-why-bradley -wiggins-was-so-wron g-part-fou ,,[/p][/quote],, Strike two... electric bikes avalable to hire at all the cities car parks.. Excellent scheme, electric bikes with panniers, encouraging car driving shoppers into Southampton... If Scottish and Southern Energy have funds for (£40,000) Inverness's electric bike hire scheme WHY NOT Southampton ? CARBON CLEVER CYCLES SCHEME LAUNCHES IN INVERNESS 18 Aug 2014 electric bike hire scheme launchesA new pilot electric bike hire scheme has been launched in Inverness . Carbon CLEVER Cycles is a collaborative project between The Highland Council, Co-wheels car club and SSE which allows users to hire an e-bike from two convenient locations in Inverness, at Falcon Square and Council Headquarters at Glenurquhart Road. The project is part of the Council’s vision and commitment to make Inverness carbon neutral by 2025. There are 12 e-bikes available for hire (6 at each location), with rentals starting at £1.75 per hour. An e-bike is a bicycle with an electric motor which provides power-assistance when pedalling, providing users with the confidence to tackle hills, headwinds and busy junctions with ease. CYCLISTS WILL BE PROVIDED WITH A HELMET, HI-VIS VEST, PANNIERS, BIKE LOCK, AND 13AMP PORTABLE CHARGER. A PUMP IS ALSO AVAILABLE IN EACH LOCKER. The scheme will be operated by Co-wheels car club and users are required to register via their website in order to hire an e-bike. Funding for the project was provided by SSE (£40,000), with contributions from The Highland Council (£10,000) and Inverness Common Good Fund (£5,000). George Baxter, Head of Development Strategy, SSE said: "We're delighted to be supporting the Carbon CLEVER initiative to help Inverness reach its goal of becoming carbon neutral. THE NEW E-BIKE LOCKERS HAVE NOW BEEN INSTALLED AND THE PEOPLE OF INVERNESS CAN NOW TRY OUT THESE TOP-OF-THE-RANGE E-BIKES. Some of my colleagues in our Inverness office have already tested them out and were very impressed so I'm sure residents and visitors to the Highland Capital will enjoy using them too." - http://www.highland. gov.uk/news/article/ 7766/carbon_clever_c ycles_scheme_launche s_in_inverness ,, Dan Soton
  • Score: 2
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