Hampshire Constabulary needs each household to 'pay £5 a year more to keep streets safe'

Daily Echo: Hampshire police need more cash. Hampshire police need more cash.

A PLEA has been made for households to stump up an extra £5 a year to help cuts-hit Hampshire police keep our streets safe.

The money this would raise has been described as a “lifeline” as extra Government cutbacks mean the constabulary will this year receive £41m less than four years ago.

Police and crime commissioner Simon Hayes is set to poll residents on the idea amid fears policing in our communities is set to reach “dangerous levels”.

It comes as he issued a stark warning to Prime Minister David Cameron that his Government was risking public safety by continually cutting grants.

The idea has won the backing of Hampshire Police Federation which represents rank and file police officers in the county.

Mr Hayes said: “These are very, very difficult times for policing in Hampshire and the Isle of Wight.

“It would be wrong of me not to tell the public the truth about the impact of Government cuts.

“It is getting more difficult to keep up the level of neighbourhood policing people want and, quite frankly, should expect.”

The force is currently faced with finding a further £25m of savings due to a funding shortfall from the latest Government spending review.

Mr Hayes said one way of keeping the force’s head above water would be raising the precept, paid within council tax, by just three per cent.

This would see the average Band D household pay an extra £4.54 a year, or nine pence a week, raising the total bill to £155.79 per year.

Generating £2.9m annually, it will ensure the constabulary can deliver the savings required.

Mr Hayes said: “There will come a time when reduced policing in our communities will reach dangerous levels.

“We are not there yet, but my message to the Home Secretary, MPs and the Prime Minister is, you are risking public safety and offering the upper hand to criminals if you continue with your policy of undermining the good policing that is going on across Hampshire and the Isle of Wight.

“I believe that we must maintain a safe level of neighbourhood policing, including PCSOs on our streets, and this is why I am left with no option but to propose a precept increase.

“But I want to hear the public’s view on this. Our short online survey is an easy way to let me know whether you agree with this or not.”

The plan has won the backing of Hampshire Police Federation.

Chairman John Apter said “The public deserve the best possible police service, and this proposed increase is a lifeline which will assist us to keep hold of some of those essential areas of policing which people take for granted.

“I would therefore urge the public to support the PCC’s plan.”

The survey is available through the Commissioner’s website hampshirepcc.

gov.uk, Twitter account and Facebook page, and will be sent out to as many stakeholders as possible.

It will close on January 22 to ensure the views of the public can be considered by the Police and Crime Panel, who will be debating the proposal on January 24.

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11:03am Mon 13 Jan 14

southy says...

What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.
What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches. southy
  • Score: -4

11:32am Mon 13 Jan 14

Forest Resident says...

Given the only visible policing presence in my village (a lowly ineffective PCSO at that) was recently pulled by Hampshire Police because the parish council stopped their element of the funding I fail to see why those of us who live in sparsely policed low crime areas should effectively be asked to pay more for the policing of other areas. Sorry Mr Hayes, the taxpayer has been bailing out others for far too long, it's time for you to look closer to home (your own office perhaps?) for these financial cuts.
Given the only visible policing presence in my village (a lowly ineffective PCSO at that) was recently pulled by Hampshire Police because the parish council stopped their element of the funding I fail to see why those of us who live in sparsely policed low crime areas should effectively be asked to pay more for the policing of other areas. Sorry Mr Hayes, the taxpayer has been bailing out others for far too long, it's time for you to look closer to home (your own office perhaps?) for these financial cuts. Forest Resident
  • Score: 9

11:51am Mon 13 Jan 14

Snowfox84 says...

I tried to complete the survey but it says it's already closed. When Hampshire Constabulary rethinks where they deploy their mobile speed camera vans, then I'd support any increase in the precept. You can't rob me twice Mr Hayes.
I tried to complete the survey but it says it's already closed. When Hampshire Constabulary rethinks where they deploy their mobile speed camera vans, then I'd support any increase in the precept. You can't rob me twice Mr Hayes. Snowfox84
  • Score: 10

12:08pm Mon 13 Jan 14

stillhere says...

Forest Resident wrote:
Given the only visible policing presence in my village (a lowly ineffective PCSO at that) was recently pulled by Hampshire Police because the parish council stopped their element of the funding I fail to see why those of us who live in sparsely policed low crime areas should effectively be asked to pay more for the policing of other areas. Sorry Mr Hayes, the taxpayer has been bailing out others for far too long, it's time for you to look closer to home (your own office perhaps?) for these financial cuts.
Agreed. Roll on the time when we can elect someone else who is prepared to resist the Chief Constable's pleas for more cash and who will confront waste and extravagance rather than try to match it..
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Given the only visible policing presence in my village (a lowly ineffective PCSO at that) was recently pulled by Hampshire Police because the parish council stopped their element of the funding I fail to see why those of us who live in sparsely policed low crime areas should effectively be asked to pay more for the policing of other areas. Sorry Mr Hayes, the taxpayer has been bailing out others for far too long, it's time for you to look closer to home (your own office perhaps?) for these financial cuts.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Roll on the time when we can elect someone else who is prepared to resist the Chief Constable's pleas for more cash and who will confront waste and extravagance rather than try to match it.. stillhere
  • Score: 5

12:17pm Mon 13 Jan 14

southy says...

southy wrote:
What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.
I see there at lest 2 masons that post on here.
There is a link that shows that criminals have joined the masons and with that comes the influence of police officers that are members to the free masons.

Personally myself no one in government office and that include,s Lords, MP's and Councillors as well departments of the government and officers to the law and arm forces should be allowed to be members or attend any secret organisation like the Masons or Bilderberg to be in office or work
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.[/p][/quote]I see there at lest 2 masons that post on here. There is a link that shows that criminals have joined the masons and with that comes the influence of police officers that are members to the free masons. Personally myself no one in government office and that include,s Lords, MP's and Councillors as well departments of the government and officers to the law and arm forces should be allowed to be members or attend any secret organisation like the Masons or Bilderberg to be in office or work southy
  • Score: -7

1:04pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Charlie Bucket says...

southy wrote:
southy wrote:
What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.
I see there at lest 2 masons that post on here.
There is a link that shows that criminals have joined the masons and with that comes the influence of police officers that are members to the free masons.

Personally myself no one in government office and that include,s Lords, MP's and Councillors as well departments of the government and officers to the law and arm forces should be allowed to be members or attend any secret organisation like the Masons or Bilderberg to be in office or work
More paranoid nonsense from southy. Someone disagreed with him? It's obviously a Masonic conspiracy.

Good grief.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.[/p][/quote]I see there at lest 2 masons that post on here. There is a link that shows that criminals have joined the masons and with that comes the influence of police officers that are members to the free masons. Personally myself no one in government office and that include,s Lords, MP's and Councillors as well departments of the government and officers to the law and arm forces should be allowed to be members or attend any secret organisation like the Masons or Bilderberg to be in office or work[/p][/quote]More paranoid nonsense from southy. Someone disagreed with him? It's obviously a Masonic conspiracy. Good grief. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 7

1:26pm Mon 13 Jan 14

southy says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.
I see there at lest 2 masons that post on here.
There is a link that shows that criminals have joined the masons and with that comes the influence of police officers that are members to the free masons.

Personally myself no one in government office and that include,s Lords, MP's and Councillors as well departments of the government and officers to the law and arm forces should be allowed to be members or attend any secret organisation like the Masons or Bilderberg to be in office or work
More paranoid nonsense from southy. Someone disagreed with him? It's obviously a Masonic conspiracy.

Good grief.
No paranoid it is what is happening and no longer a conspiracy as news is getting out that this is happening and leaves us wide open to big corruption, control where it should not be, its been a problem for some time now, but the mason link with police and criminals have only just come to light.

These organisation do not run an open book for all to see, its a closed book system where they do not want the general public to know what they get up to or do and this should be closed to any one in public service and should not attend or be part off there should be no close doors
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.[/p][/quote]I see there at lest 2 masons that post on here. There is a link that shows that criminals have joined the masons and with that comes the influence of police officers that are members to the free masons. Personally myself no one in government office and that include,s Lords, MP's and Councillors as well departments of the government and officers to the law and arm forces should be allowed to be members or attend any secret organisation like the Masons or Bilderberg to be in office or work[/p][/quote]More paranoid nonsense from southy. Someone disagreed with him? It's obviously a Masonic conspiracy. Good grief.[/p][/quote]No paranoid it is what is happening and no longer a conspiracy as news is getting out that this is happening and leaves us wide open to big corruption, control where it should not be, its been a problem for some time now, but the mason link with police and criminals have only just come to light. These organisation do not run an open book for all to see, its a closed book system where they do not want the general public to know what they get up to or do and this should be closed to any one in public service and should not attend or be part off there should be no close doors southy
  • Score: -4

1:41pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

As an ex Met plod I am very disappointed with the level of policing we are recieving, and that is not just in Hampshire, over the Christmas period a 12 year old lad was not taken to court for a serious sexual assault on a 5 year old girl in Kent, in fact no action was taken at all. That would not have happened in my day and I am sure the currant lot of plods are as disappointed as I am at their inability to serve the public as they would wish to do. I will have no opposition to paying more in the hopes of getting a service that will keep both us and the plods happy. PS. I left the Met and joined the army when sentencing became so inadequate that I realised I was wasting my time and that was back in the 1970s. Some of us posting here should realise that most PCs are in the job to serve the public as best they can.
As an ex Met plod I am very disappointed with the level of policing we are recieving, and that is not just in Hampshire, over the Christmas period a 12 year old lad was not taken to court for a serious sexual assault on a 5 year old girl in Kent, in fact no action was taken at all. That would not have happened in my day and I am sure the currant lot of plods are as disappointed as I am at their inability to serve the public as they would wish to do. I will have no opposition to paying more in the hopes of getting a service that will keep both us and the plods happy. PS. I left the Met and joined the army when sentencing became so inadequate that I realised I was wasting my time and that was back in the 1970s. Some of us posting here should realise that most PCs are in the job to serve the public as best they can. Inform Al
  • Score: 6

2:59pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.
I see there at lest 2 masons that post on here.
There is a link that shows that criminals have joined the masons and with that comes the influence of police officers that are members to the free masons.

Personally myself no one in government office and that include,s Lords, MP's and Councillors as well departments of the government and officers to the law and arm forces should be allowed to be members or attend any secret organisation like the Masons or Bilderberg to be in office or work
More paranoid nonsense from southy. Someone disagreed with him? It's obviously a Masonic conspiracy.

Good grief.
No paranoid it is what is happening and no longer a conspiracy as news is getting out that this is happening and leaves us wide open to big corruption, control where it should not be, its been a problem for some time now, but the mason link with police and criminals have only just come to light.

These organisation do not run an open book for all to see, its a closed book system where they do not want the general public to know what they get up to or do and this should be closed to any one in public service and should not attend or be part off there should be no close doors
Serious accusations.

One would assume you would not post something as serious as this without some proof, is this something we can all take a look at and make up our own minds?

I'd be more careful if I were you.

The Masons are well known for being diligent and protective of themselves (which is kind of the definition of their purpose), you could wind up being taken to task by the legions of legal eagles in the camp.

You have been warned, whether you choose to heed it or not is up to you.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.[/p][/quote]I see there at lest 2 masons that post on here. There is a link that shows that criminals have joined the masons and with that comes the influence of police officers that are members to the free masons. Personally myself no one in government office and that include,s Lords, MP's and Councillors as well departments of the government and officers to the law and arm forces should be allowed to be members or attend any secret organisation like the Masons or Bilderberg to be in office or work[/p][/quote]More paranoid nonsense from southy. Someone disagreed with him? It's obviously a Masonic conspiracy. Good grief.[/p][/quote]No paranoid it is what is happening and no longer a conspiracy as news is getting out that this is happening and leaves us wide open to big corruption, control where it should not be, its been a problem for some time now, but the mason link with police and criminals have only just come to light. These organisation do not run an open book for all to see, its a closed book system where they do not want the general public to know what they get up to or do and this should be closed to any one in public service and should not attend or be part off there should be no close doors[/p][/quote]Serious accusations. One would assume you would not post something as serious as this without some proof, is this something we can all take a look at and make up our own minds? I'd be more careful if I were you. The Masons are well known for being diligent and protective of themselves (which is kind of the definition of their purpose), you could wind up being taken to task by the legions of legal eagles in the camp. You have been warned, whether you choose to heed it or not is up to you. Shoong
  • Score: 2

3:04pm Mon 13 Jan 14

southy says...

Inform Al wrote:
As an ex Met plod I am very disappointed with the level of policing we are recieving, and that is not just in Hampshire, over the Christmas period a 12 year old lad was not taken to court for a serious sexual assault on a 5 year old girl in Kent, in fact no action was taken at all. That would not have happened in my day and I am sure the currant lot of plods are as disappointed as I am at their inability to serve the public as they would wish to do. I will have no opposition to paying more in the hopes of getting a service that will keep both us and the plods happy. PS. I left the Met and joined the army when sentencing became so inadequate that I realised I was wasting my time and that was back in the 1970s. Some of us posting here should realise that most PCs are in the job to serve the public as best they can.
Will agree with you policing as gone down hill for the last 30 odd years
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: As an ex Met plod I am very disappointed with the level of policing we are recieving, and that is not just in Hampshire, over the Christmas period a 12 year old lad was not taken to court for a serious sexual assault on a 5 year old girl in Kent, in fact no action was taken at all. That would not have happened in my day and I am sure the currant lot of plods are as disappointed as I am at their inability to serve the public as they would wish to do. I will have no opposition to paying more in the hopes of getting a service that will keep both us and the plods happy. PS. I left the Met and joined the army when sentencing became so inadequate that I realised I was wasting my time and that was back in the 1970s. Some of us posting here should realise that most PCs are in the job to serve the public as best they can.[/p][/quote]Will agree with you policing as gone down hill for the last 30 odd years southy
  • Score: 2

3:21pm Mon 13 Jan 14

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.
I see there at lest 2 masons that post on here.
There is a link that shows that criminals have joined the masons and with that comes the influence of police officers that are members to the free masons.

Personally myself no one in government office and that include,s Lords, MP's and Councillors as well departments of the government and officers to the law and arm forces should be allowed to be members or attend any secret organisation like the Masons or Bilderberg to be in office or work
More paranoid nonsense from southy. Someone disagreed with him? It's obviously a Masonic conspiracy.

Good grief.
No paranoid it is what is happening and no longer a conspiracy as news is getting out that this is happening and leaves us wide open to big corruption, control where it should not be, its been a problem for some time now, but the mason link with police and criminals have only just come to light.

These organisation do not run an open book for all to see, its a closed book system where they do not want the general public to know what they get up to or do and this should be closed to any one in public service and should not attend or be part off there should be no close doors
Serious accusations.

One would assume you would not post something as serious as this without some proof, is this something we can all take a look at and make up our own minds?

I'd be more careful if I were you.

The Masons are well known for being diligent and protective of themselves (which is kind of the definition of their purpose), you could wind up being taken to task by the legions of legal eagles in the camp.

You have been warned, whether you choose to heed it or not is up to you.
yes there is prof on-line that members of the criminal world are members of the masons how long this as been going on for no one knows or will say, its only just come to light, as far as i know its not all the branches of the masons just some.


Heres a link for you check on seeing you don't know how to search for things on the internet there are other links to other sites also but this one is from a national daily paper.

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri
me/revealed-how-gang
s-used-the-freemason
s-to-corrupt-police-
9054670.html
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.[/p][/quote]I see there at lest 2 masons that post on here. There is a link that shows that criminals have joined the masons and with that comes the influence of police officers that are members to the free masons. Personally myself no one in government office and that include,s Lords, MP's and Councillors as well departments of the government and officers to the law and arm forces should be allowed to be members or attend any secret organisation like the Masons or Bilderberg to be in office or work[/p][/quote]More paranoid nonsense from southy. Someone disagreed with him? It's obviously a Masonic conspiracy. Good grief.[/p][/quote]No paranoid it is what is happening and no longer a conspiracy as news is getting out that this is happening and leaves us wide open to big corruption, control where it should not be, its been a problem for some time now, but the mason link with police and criminals have only just come to light. These organisation do not run an open book for all to see, its a closed book system where they do not want the general public to know what they get up to or do and this should be closed to any one in public service and should not attend or be part off there should be no close doors[/p][/quote]Serious accusations. One would assume you would not post something as serious as this without some proof, is this something we can all take a look at and make up our own minds? I'd be more careful if I were you. The Masons are well known for being diligent and protective of themselves (which is kind of the definition of their purpose), you could wind up being taken to task by the legions of legal eagles in the camp. You have been warned, whether you choose to heed it or not is up to you.[/p][/quote]yes there is prof on-line that members of the criminal world are members of the masons how long this as been going on for no one knows or will say, its only just come to light, as far as i know its not all the branches of the masons just some. Heres a link for you check on seeing you don't know how to search for things on the internet there are other links to other sites also but this one is from a national daily paper. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/revealed-how-gang s-used-the-freemason s-to-corrupt-police- 9054670.html southy
  • Score: -3

4:00pm Mon 13 Jan 14

chimneysweep 1234 says...

No way no way ..They are usless
No way no way ..They are usless chimneysweep 1234
  • Score: 0

4:17pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote: What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.
I see there at lest 2 masons that post on here. There is a link that shows that criminals have joined the masons and with that comes the influence of police officers that are members to the free masons. Personally myself no one in government office and that include,s Lords, MP's and Councillors as well departments of the government and officers to the law and arm forces should be allowed to be members or attend any secret organisation like the Masons or Bilderberg to be in office or work
More paranoid nonsense from southy. Someone disagreed with him? It's obviously a Masonic conspiracy. Good grief.
No paranoid it is what is happening and no longer a conspiracy as news is getting out that this is happening and leaves us wide open to big corruption, control where it should not be, its been a problem for some time now, but the mason link with police and criminals have only just come to light. These organisation do not run an open book for all to see, its a closed book system where they do not want the general public to know what they get up to or do and this should be closed to any one in public service and should not attend or be part off there should be no close doors
Serious accusations. One would assume you would not post something as serious as this without some proof, is this something we can all take a look at and make up our own minds? I'd be more careful if I were you. The Masons are well known for being diligent and protective of themselves (which is kind of the definition of their purpose), you could wind up being taken to task by the legions of legal eagles in the camp. You have been warned, whether you choose to heed it or not is up to you.
yes there is prof on-line that members of the criminal world are members of the masons how long this as been going on for no one knows or will say, its only just come to light, as far as i know its not all the branches of the masons just some. Heres a link for you check on seeing you don't know how to search for things on the internet there are other links to other sites also but this one is from a national daily paper. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/revealed-how-gang s-used-the-freemason s-to-corrupt-police- 9054670.html
I do know how to search for 'things' on the internet, although I don't believe all I read on it or in your case, choose to believe or deny.

I asked you to provide proof & you've provided a link to a newspaper story, what's the point in trawling through the internet when you can provide a link to one of your treasured conspiracy stories? Anyway, thanks, you've done the work for me.

So, you provided a link to a newspaper story. Sorry, I don't consider that proof.

To conclude, I apparently don't know how to search the internet but you believe hook, line and sinker a newspaper article.

It must be very cluttered in that head of yours...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.[/p][/quote]I see there at lest 2 masons that post on here. There is a link that shows that criminals have joined the masons and with that comes the influence of police officers that are members to the free masons. Personally myself no one in government office and that include,s Lords, MP's and Councillors as well departments of the government and officers to the law and arm forces should be allowed to be members or attend any secret organisation like the Masons or Bilderberg to be in office or work[/p][/quote]More paranoid nonsense from southy. Someone disagreed with him? It's obviously a Masonic conspiracy. Good grief.[/p][/quote]No paranoid it is what is happening and no longer a conspiracy as news is getting out that this is happening and leaves us wide open to big corruption, control where it should not be, its been a problem for some time now, but the mason link with police and criminals have only just come to light. These organisation do not run an open book for all to see, its a closed book system where they do not want the general public to know what they get up to or do and this should be closed to any one in public service and should not attend or be part off there should be no close doors[/p][/quote]Serious accusations. One would assume you would not post something as serious as this without some proof, is this something we can all take a look at and make up our own minds? I'd be more careful if I were you. The Masons are well known for being diligent and protective of themselves (which is kind of the definition of their purpose), you could wind up being taken to task by the legions of legal eagles in the camp. You have been warned, whether you choose to heed it or not is up to you.[/p][/quote]yes there is prof on-line that members of the criminal world are members of the masons how long this as been going on for no one knows or will say, its only just come to light, as far as i know its not all the branches of the masons just some. Heres a link for you check on seeing you don't know how to search for things on the internet there are other links to other sites also but this one is from a national daily paper. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/revealed-how-gang s-used-the-freemason s-to-corrupt-police- 9054670.html[/p][/quote]I do know how to search for 'things' on the internet, although I don't believe all I read on it or in your case, choose to believe or deny. I asked you to provide proof & you've provided a link to a newspaper story, what's the point in trawling through the internet when you can provide a link to one of your treasured conspiracy stories? Anyway, thanks, you've done the work for me. So, you provided a link to a newspaper story. Sorry, I don't consider that proof. To conclude, I apparently don't know how to search the internet but you believe hook, line and sinker a newspaper article. It must be very cluttered in that head of yours... Shoong
  • Score: 0

4:40pm Mon 13 Jan 14

MPOV says...

Snowfox84 wrote:
I tried to complete the survey but it says it's already closed. When Hampshire Constabulary rethinks where they deploy their mobile speed camera vans, then I'd support any increase in the precept. You can't rob me twice Mr Hayes.
Don't break the speed limit and abide by the law then!
[quote][p][bold]Snowfox84[/bold] wrote: I tried to complete the survey but it says it's already closed. When Hampshire Constabulary rethinks where they deploy their mobile speed camera vans, then I'd support any increase in the precept. You can't rob me twice Mr Hayes.[/p][/quote]Don't break the speed limit and abide by the law then! MPOV
  • Score: -6

5:18pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Charlie Bucket says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.
I see there at lest 2 masons that post on here.
There is a link that shows that criminals have joined the masons and with that comes the influence of police officers that are members to the free masons.

Personally myself no one in government office and that include,s Lords, MP's and Councillors as well departments of the government and officers to the law and arm forces should be allowed to be members or attend any secret organisation like the Masons or Bilderberg to be in office or work
More paranoid nonsense from southy. Someone disagreed with him? It's obviously a Masonic conspiracy.

Good grief.
No paranoid it is what is happening and no longer a conspiracy as news is getting out that this is happening and leaves us wide open to big corruption, control where it should not be, its been a problem for some time now, but the mason link with police and criminals have only just come to light.

These organisation do not run an open book for all to see, its a closed book system where they do not want the general public to know what they get up to or do and this should be closed to any one in public service and should not attend or be part off there should be no close doors
Serious accusations.

One would assume you would not post something as serious as this without some proof, is this something we can all take a look at and make up our own minds?

I'd be more careful if I were you.

The Masons are well known for being diligent and protective of themselves (which is kind of the definition of their purpose), you could wind up being taken to task by the legions of legal eagles in the camp.

You have been warned, whether you choose to heed it or not is up to you.
yes there is prof on-line that members of the criminal world are members of the masons how long this as been going on for no one knows or will say, its only just come to light, as far as i know its not all the branches of the masons just some.


Heres a link for you check on seeing you don't know how to search for things on the internet there are other links to other sites also but this one is from a national daily paper.

http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri

me/revealed-how-gang

s-used-the-freemason

s-to-corrupt-police-

9054670.html
Proof online? But you've been telling us for years that online evidence is worthless.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.[/p][/quote]I see there at lest 2 masons that post on here. There is a link that shows that criminals have joined the masons and with that comes the influence of police officers that are members to the free masons. Personally myself no one in government office and that include,s Lords, MP's and Councillors as well departments of the government and officers to the law and arm forces should be allowed to be members or attend any secret organisation like the Masons or Bilderberg to be in office or work[/p][/quote]More paranoid nonsense from southy. Someone disagreed with him? It's obviously a Masonic conspiracy. Good grief.[/p][/quote]No paranoid it is what is happening and no longer a conspiracy as news is getting out that this is happening and leaves us wide open to big corruption, control where it should not be, its been a problem for some time now, but the mason link with police and criminals have only just come to light. These organisation do not run an open book for all to see, its a closed book system where they do not want the general public to know what they get up to or do and this should be closed to any one in public service and should not attend or be part off there should be no close doors[/p][/quote]Serious accusations. One would assume you would not post something as serious as this without some proof, is this something we can all take a look at and make up our own minds? I'd be more careful if I were you. The Masons are well known for being diligent and protective of themselves (which is kind of the definition of their purpose), you could wind up being taken to task by the legions of legal eagles in the camp. You have been warned, whether you choose to heed it or not is up to you.[/p][/quote]yes there is prof on-line that members of the criminal world are members of the masons how long this as been going on for no one knows or will say, its only just come to light, as far as i know its not all the branches of the masons just some. Heres a link for you check on seeing you don't know how to search for things on the internet there are other links to other sites also but this one is from a national daily paper. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/revealed-how-gang s-used-the-freemason s-to-corrupt-police- 9054670.html[/p][/quote]Proof online? But you've been telling us for years that online evidence is worthless. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 2

5:24pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Snowfox84 says...

MPOV wrote:
Snowfox84 wrote:
I tried to complete the survey but it says it's already closed. When Hampshire Constabulary rethinks where they deploy their mobile speed camera vans, then I'd support any increase in the precept. You can't rob me twice Mr Hayes.
Don't break the speed limit and abide by the law then!
MPOV: Such an original and insightful comment. The moral legitimacy of Hants Police enforcing unrealistically low speed limits in a handful of places is the issue I raised. As such, I don't support the proposed 3% increase.
[quote][p][bold]MPOV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snowfox84[/bold] wrote: I tried to complete the survey but it says it's already closed. When Hampshire Constabulary rethinks where they deploy their mobile speed camera vans, then I'd support any increase in the precept. You can't rob me twice Mr Hayes.[/p][/quote]Don't break the speed limit and abide by the law then![/p][/quote]MPOV: Such an original and insightful comment. The moral legitimacy of Hants Police enforcing unrealistically low speed limits in a handful of places is the issue I raised. As such, I don't support the proposed 3% increase. Snowfox84
  • Score: 4

5:27pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Shoong says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.
I see there at lest 2 masons that post on here.
There is a link that shows that criminals have joined the masons and with that comes the influence of police officers that are members to the free masons.

Personally myself no one in government office and that include,s Lords, MP's and Councillors as well departments of the government and officers to the law and arm forces should be allowed to be members or attend any secret organisation like the Masons or Bilderberg to be in office or work
More paranoid nonsense from southy. Someone disagreed with him? It's obviously a Masonic conspiracy.

Good grief.
No paranoid it is what is happening and no longer a conspiracy as news is getting out that this is happening and leaves us wide open to big corruption, control where it should not be, its been a problem for some time now, but the mason link with police and criminals have only just come to light.

These organisation do not run an open book for all to see, its a closed book system where they do not want the general public to know what they get up to or do and this should be closed to any one in public service and should not attend or be part off there should be no close doors
Serious accusations.

One would assume you would not post something as serious as this without some proof, is this something we can all take a look at and make up our own minds?

I'd be more careful if I were you.

The Masons are well known for being diligent and protective of themselves (which is kind of the definition of their purpose), you could wind up being taken to task by the legions of legal eagles in the camp.

You have been warned, whether you choose to heed it or not is up to you.
yes there is prof on-line that members of the criminal world are members of the masons how long this as been going on for no one knows or will say, its only just come to light, as far as i know its not all the branches of the masons just some.


Heres a link for you check on seeing you don't know how to search for things on the internet there are other links to other sites also but this one is from a national daily paper.

http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri


me/revealed-how-gang


s-used-the-freemason


s-to-corrupt-police-


9054670.html
Proof online? But you've been telling us for years that online evidence is worthless.
Here's what has happened here:

1) There is a conspiracy theory in the Bog of Reason, just south of the hippo campus in Southy's head.

2) Unable to hold himself back, it is posted to the DE site in a totally irrelevant context.

3) When challenged for proof (it could have been anyone who asked), Peter fires up his web browser.

4) Goes to a little know search engine called 'Google'.

5) Enters a search for 'uk police mason conspiracy' or such like.

6) Has a brief sift through the search results - finds a link he likes (The Independent was picked here as somehow it's neutral).

7) Boom. There's your proof.

8) After this is challenged, there are 2 possibilities:

i) Peter will vanish because he's unable to conceal his transparency

ii) More bilge will set sail from Conspria-loon Cove set for the shores of another story.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.[/p][/quote]I see there at lest 2 masons that post on here. There is a link that shows that criminals have joined the masons and with that comes the influence of police officers that are members to the free masons. Personally myself no one in government office and that include,s Lords, MP's and Councillors as well departments of the government and officers to the law and arm forces should be allowed to be members or attend any secret organisation like the Masons or Bilderberg to be in office or work[/p][/quote]More paranoid nonsense from southy. Someone disagreed with him? It's obviously a Masonic conspiracy. Good grief.[/p][/quote]No paranoid it is what is happening and no longer a conspiracy as news is getting out that this is happening and leaves us wide open to big corruption, control where it should not be, its been a problem for some time now, but the mason link with police and criminals have only just come to light. These organisation do not run an open book for all to see, its a closed book system where they do not want the general public to know what they get up to or do and this should be closed to any one in public service and should not attend or be part off there should be no close doors[/p][/quote]Serious accusations. One would assume you would not post something as serious as this without some proof, is this something we can all take a look at and make up our own minds? I'd be more careful if I were you. The Masons are well known for being diligent and protective of themselves (which is kind of the definition of their purpose), you could wind up being taken to task by the legions of legal eagles in the camp. You have been warned, whether you choose to heed it or not is up to you.[/p][/quote]yes there is prof on-line that members of the criminal world are members of the masons how long this as been going on for no one knows or will say, its only just come to light, as far as i know its not all the branches of the masons just some. Heres a link for you check on seeing you don't know how to search for things on the internet there are other links to other sites also but this one is from a national daily paper. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/revealed-how-gang s-used-the-freemason s-to-corrupt-police- 9054670.html[/p][/quote]Proof online? But you've been telling us for years that online evidence is worthless.[/p][/quote]Here's what has happened here: 1) There is a conspiracy theory in the Bog of Reason, just south of the hippo campus in Southy's head. 2) Unable to hold himself back, it is posted to the DE site in a totally irrelevant context. 3) When challenged for proof (it could have been anyone who asked), Peter fires up his web browser. 4) Goes to a little know search engine called 'Google'. 5) Enters a search for 'uk police mason conspiracy' or such like. 6) Has a brief sift through the search results - finds a link he likes (The Independent was picked here as somehow it's neutral). 7) Boom. There's your proof. 8) After this is challenged, there are 2 possibilities: i) Peter will vanish because he's unable to conceal his transparency ii) More bilge will set sail from Conspria-loon Cove set for the shores of another story. Shoong
  • Score: 3

5:47pm Mon 13 Jan 14

stillhere says...

With full respect to those commenting on here about subjects that are nothing directly to do with the original article, inadvertently you are playing straight in to the hands of those running this "consultation". They would love to be able to say that that there is public indifference on the subject of putting up our taxes for policing.
So please comment be it for or against the proposal to increase council tax for policing so that the Police Commissioner has to consider public opinion.
In doing so be alert to other tactics employed in such "consultations" like "shroud waving" i.e. threatening to cut the service most valued by tax payers - in this case neighbourhood policing - and incremental creep i.e. focussing only on the increase rather than the total. Hence the "consultation" is all about the extra fiver and the full amount of 20 or so times this is conveniently ignored by those seeking to increase our taxes.
None of this is critical of rank and file officers. The letters column of the publically available constabulary newspaper on the www reveals that these officers often have ideas on waste and extravagance and all to often the same columns show these concerns being sidestepped by those in charge.
I would be happy to pay the fiver, maybe more, if I could be sure about it going on policing however press coverage this last year of the PCC's spending on offices, staff and a deputy (or is it 2 or 3 deputies?) and what I have read in the Constabulary's own newspaper about "company" cars for bosses for example mean that I voted "no"..
Still on the positive side we learnt in the press this last weekend that Jaguar/Land Rover are doing well for their shareholders!
With full respect to those commenting on here about subjects that are nothing directly to do with the original article, inadvertently you are playing straight in to the hands of those running this "consultation". They would love to be able to say that that there is public indifference on the subject of putting up our taxes for policing. So please comment be it for or against the proposal to increase council tax for policing so that the Police Commissioner has to consider public opinion. In doing so be alert to other tactics employed in such "consultations" like "shroud waving" i.e. threatening to cut the service most valued by tax payers - in this case neighbourhood policing - and incremental creep i.e. focussing only on the increase rather than the total. Hence the "consultation" is all about the extra fiver and the full amount of 20 or so times this is conveniently ignored by those seeking to increase our taxes. None of this is critical of rank and file officers. The letters column of the publically available constabulary newspaper on the www reveals that these officers often have ideas on waste and extravagance and all to often the same columns show these concerns being sidestepped by those in charge. I would be happy to pay the fiver, maybe more, if I could be sure about it going on policing however press coverage this last year of the PCC's spending on offices, staff and a deputy (or is it 2 or 3 deputies?) and what I have read in the Constabulary's own newspaper about "company" cars for bosses for example mean that I voted "no".. Still on the positive side we learnt in the press this last weekend that Jaguar/Land Rover are doing well for their shareholders! stillhere
  • Score: 0

6:09pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

stillhere wrote:
With full respect to those commenting on here about subjects that are nothing directly to do with the original article, inadvertently you are playing straight in to the hands of those running this "consultation". They would love to be able to say that that there is public indifference on the subject of putting up our taxes for policing.
So please comment be it for or against the proposal to increase council tax for policing so that the Police Commissioner has to consider public opinion.
In doing so be alert to other tactics employed in such "consultations" like "shroud waving" i.e. threatening to cut the service most valued by tax payers - in this case neighbourhood policing - and incremental creep i.e. focussing only on the increase rather than the total. Hence the "consultation" is all about the extra fiver and the full amount of 20 or so times this is conveniently ignored by those seeking to increase our taxes.
None of this is critical of rank and file officers. The letters column of the publically available constabulary newspaper on the www reveals that these officers often have ideas on waste and extravagance and all to often the same columns show these concerns being sidestepped by those in charge.
I would be happy to pay the fiver, maybe more, if I could be sure about it going on policing however press coverage this last year of the PCC's spending on offices, staff and a deputy (or is it 2 or 3 deputies?) and what I have read in the Constabulary's own newspaper about "company" cars for bosses for example mean that I voted "no"..
Still on the positive side we learnt in the press this last weekend that Jaguar/Land Rover are doing well for their shareholders!
And just what does the Jag/ Land Rover position have to do with policing.
[quote][p][bold]stillhere[/bold] wrote: With full respect to those commenting on here about subjects that are nothing directly to do with the original article, inadvertently you are playing straight in to the hands of those running this "consultation". They would love to be able to say that that there is public indifference on the subject of putting up our taxes for policing. So please comment be it for or against the proposal to increase council tax for policing so that the Police Commissioner has to consider public opinion. In doing so be alert to other tactics employed in such "consultations" like "shroud waving" i.e. threatening to cut the service most valued by tax payers - in this case neighbourhood policing - and incremental creep i.e. focussing only on the increase rather than the total. Hence the "consultation" is all about the extra fiver and the full amount of 20 or so times this is conveniently ignored by those seeking to increase our taxes. None of this is critical of rank and file officers. The letters column of the publically available constabulary newspaper on the www reveals that these officers often have ideas on waste and extravagance and all to often the same columns show these concerns being sidestepped by those in charge. I would be happy to pay the fiver, maybe more, if I could be sure about it going on policing however press coverage this last year of the PCC's spending on offices, staff and a deputy (or is it 2 or 3 deputies?) and what I have read in the Constabulary's own newspaper about "company" cars for bosses for example mean that I voted "no".. Still on the positive side we learnt in the press this last weekend that Jaguar/Land Rover are doing well for their shareholders![/p][/quote]And just what does the Jag/ Land Rover position have to do with policing. Inform Al
  • Score: 0

6:19pm Mon 13 Jan 14

76Saints says...

NO
NO 76Saints
  • Score: 1

7:46pm Mon 13 Jan 14

thesouth says...

Snowfox84 wrote:
MPOV wrote:
Snowfox84 wrote:
I tried to complete the survey but it says it's already closed. When Hampshire Constabulary rethinks where they deploy their mobile speed camera vans, then I'd support any increase in the precept. You can't rob me twice Mr Hayes.
Don't break the speed limit and abide by the law then!
MPOV: Such an original and insightful comment. The moral legitimacy of Hants Police enforcing unrealistically low speed limits in a handful of places is the issue I raised. As such, I don't support the proposed 3% increase.
If your child was killed by someone speeding only a bit over the limit you would think twice about your comment
[quote][p][bold]Snowfox84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MPOV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snowfox84[/bold] wrote: I tried to complete the survey but it says it's already closed. When Hampshire Constabulary rethinks where they deploy their mobile speed camera vans, then I'd support any increase in the precept. You can't rob me twice Mr Hayes.[/p][/quote]Don't break the speed limit and abide by the law then![/p][/quote]MPOV: Such an original and insightful comment. The moral legitimacy of Hants Police enforcing unrealistically low speed limits in a handful of places is the issue I raised. As such, I don't support the proposed 3% increase.[/p][/quote]If your child was killed by someone speeding only a bit over the limit you would think twice about your comment thesouth
  • Score: -3

8:56pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Snowfox84 says...

thesouth wrote:
Snowfox84 wrote:
MPOV wrote:
Snowfox84 wrote:
I tried to complete the survey but it says it's already closed. When Hampshire Constabulary rethinks where they deploy their mobile speed camera vans, then I'd support any increase in the precept. You can't rob me twice Mr Hayes.
Don't break the speed limit and abide by the law then!
MPOV: Such an original and insightful comment. The moral legitimacy of Hants Police enforcing unrealistically low speed limits in a handful of places is the issue I raised. As such, I don't support the proposed 3% increase.
If your child was killed by someone speeding only a bit over the limit you would think twice about your comment
thesouth: Where are the children on West Quay Road heading Westbound towards Totton past the Ikea pedestrian crossing which justifies enforcing the ridiculously low 30mph? Didn't think so Helen Lovejoy.
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snowfox84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MPOV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snowfox84[/bold] wrote: I tried to complete the survey but it says it's already closed. When Hampshire Constabulary rethinks where they deploy their mobile speed camera vans, then I'd support any increase in the precept. You can't rob me twice Mr Hayes.[/p][/quote]Don't break the speed limit and abide by the law then![/p][/quote]MPOV: Such an original and insightful comment. The moral legitimacy of Hants Police enforcing unrealistically low speed limits in a handful of places is the issue I raised. As such, I don't support the proposed 3% increase.[/p][/quote]If your child was killed by someone speeding only a bit over the limit you would think twice about your comment[/p][/quote]thesouth: Where are the children on West Quay Road heading Westbound towards Totton past the Ikea pedestrian crossing which justifies enforcing the ridiculously low 30mph? Didn't think so Helen Lovejoy. Snowfox84
  • Score: 5

8:17am Tue 14 Jan 14

skeptik says...

Nonsense - every agency of government has moved on into the 21st century some for the better and others not - the principle is sound. With this small island we have 43 police forces in England and Wales alone. The cost of 43 HQs and a raft of sub HQs is mind boggling. A little less of the fiefdoms and more operational officers and front line lads and lasses. Aside from the money, imagine disseminating immediate intelligence to 43 forces with varying levels of competence. Maybe 8 regional forces with the Met. One materiel purchasing division a manning and training division less of the business oriented ACPO a hybrid public/Plc nonsense. After many years of military service nothing will change my views on failure it starts and ends with bad leadership. The police always counter criticism with 'public accountability' really? Does that include ACPO deciding if they will or will not enforce the will of parliament - or is that not 'public accountability?' How many officers of chief rank does Hampshire have?
Nonsense - every agency of government has moved on into the 21st century some for the better and others not - the principle is sound. With this small island we have 43 police forces in England and Wales alone. The cost of 43 HQs and a raft of sub HQs is mind boggling. A little less of the fiefdoms and more operational officers and front line lads and lasses. Aside from the money, imagine disseminating immediate intelligence to 43 forces with varying levels of competence. Maybe 8 regional forces with the Met. One materiel purchasing division a manning and training division less of the business oriented ACPO a hybrid public/Plc nonsense. After many years of military service nothing will change my views on failure it starts and ends with bad leadership. The police always counter criticism with 'public accountability' really? Does that include ACPO deciding if they will or will not enforce the will of parliament - or is that not 'public accountability?' How many officers of chief rank does Hampshire have? skeptik
  • Score: -1

1:38pm Thu 16 Jan 14

kiddynamite says...

southy wrote:
What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.
What planet does this dude come from?
Thats absolute nonsense mouthy, sorry i mean southy.

I guess you will reply that i am a troll, just because i disagree with your childish statement.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.[/p][/quote]What planet does this dude come from? Thats absolute nonsense mouthy, sorry i mean southy. I guess you will reply that i am a troll, just because i disagree with your childish statement. kiddynamite
  • Score: 1

1:38pm Thu 16 Jan 14

kiddynamite says...

southy wrote:
What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.
What planet does this dude come from?
Thats absolute nonsense mouthy, sorry i mean southy.

I guess you will reply that i am a troll, just because i disagree with your childish statement.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: What would help the police if they got rid of the masons with in the force as there is a criminal activity in a few masons branches.[/p][/quote]What planet does this dude come from? Thats absolute nonsense mouthy, sorry i mean southy. I guess you will reply that i am a troll, just because i disagree with your childish statement. kiddynamite
  • Score: 1

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